Official Watch Party Thread (NCAAT seeding edition)

#526
#526
cncchris33 said:
Literally every top-10 team has a win away from home against a team currently ranked in the top 25, or who was at the time they played them.

•Kentucky you mentioned won at Kansas.

•Baylor beat Iowa St. on the road.

•Arizona beat Michigan on a neutral floor and at Illinois.

•Gonzaga beat UCLA on a neutral floor.

•Duke beat Kentucky on a neutral floor and Gonzaga on a neutral floor.

•Auburn beat Bama on the road.

•Kansas beat Iowa St. on the road.

•Purdue beat UNC on a neutral court, beat Villanova on a neutral court, at Illinois.

•Providence beat Wisconsin on neutral court, UCONN on the road, Xavier on the road.

•Wisconsin beat Houston on a neutral court, at Purdue, at Michigan St.

Many of those have also defeated multiple other teams who will be in the NCAAT on a neutral floor or away.
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You keep bringing up neutral court wins like we haven’t beat some teams on a neutral floor…(UNC) Colorado soon to be a quad 1 win as well.
 
#527
#527
Voltime123 said:
You keep bringing up neutral court wins like we haven’t beat some teams on a neutral floor…(UNC) Colorado soon to be a quad 1 win as well.
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Good grief...I already mentioned that we beat UNC. I even stepped in and called it our best win away from home.

And I didn't say that winning at Colorado wasn't a good win. But by your own barometer (top-25 wins away from home), it doesn't qualify.

You just seem to be crafting this discussion to tailor-fit your agenda. I love our résumé. We've played a lot of really good teams, and we've beaten a lot of them, too. We just haven't beaten many of them away from home given the number of chances we've had. We are 1-7 in those games. That's a fair criticism.
 
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#528
#528
cncchris33 said:
Those are the very three games I look at on our schedule and think about what could have been.

Texas Tech: A game where we couldn't throw it in the ocean and JJJ trips on his own two feet on an uncontested breakaway for what would have been the difference in regulation of a game that went to OT.

Alabama: A game where we played without 2 starters and had a lead with 2 minutes to play. If Chandler plays, we win.

Texas: Another game where we just could not score. Unreal that we'd have two generationally poor shooting efforts in one year. And still had a chance to win it at the final score. Obvious cheapshot foul on Texas defender against Nkamhoua away from the ball goes uncalled on the final shot attempt.
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JJJ didn’t trip over his 2 feet. There was a wet spot on the floor. We’re lucky that he didn’t have a season ending injury. But your point is accurate. That missed opportunity ends it in regulation with a TN win.
 
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#529
cncchris33 said:
Good grief...I already mentioned that we beat UNC. I even stepped in and called it our best win away from home.

And I didn't say that winning at Colorado wasn't a good win. But by your own barometer (top-25 wins away from home), it doesn't qualify.

You just seem to be crafting this discussion to tailor-fit your agenda. I love our résumé. We've played a lot of really good teams, and we've beaten a lot of them, too. We just haven't beaten many of them away from home given the number of chances we've had. We are 1-7 in those games. That's a fair criticism.
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I think it’s hardly fair criticism when you are discounting our resume as good enough for a 2 seed if we win out during the regular season. Neutral court wins are great but they are not true road wins and from your list only a few top ten teams have that going for them which is my point.
 
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Voltime123 said:
I think it’s hardly fair criticism when you are discounting our resume as good enough for a 2 seed if we win out during the regular season. Neutral court wins are great but they are not true road wins and from your list only a few top ten teams have that going for them which is my point.
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I think it's a tough sell to believe we deserve a 2 seed if we finish 23-7 and lose to Mississippi State or South Carolina in the SECT, going 0-1. Especially when we aren't considered a 2-seed as of right now, to begin with. I'm fairly confident you're alone on that island with your orange shades on.

And lastly, you either fail to realize or fail to acknowledge that the NCAAT is played on a neutral court. How you play away from home, neutral floor or away, matters. And you don't have to like it, acknowledge it, or believe it matters, but it will be a determining factor in fleshing out the teams seeded in the top 16 for seeds 1-4.

I'm just saying that if you're holding out hope for a 2 seed, then you better hope they perform better than your bare minimum baseline.

Outside of that, we can agree to disagree.
 
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#532
cncchris33 said:
I think it's a tough sell to believe we deserve a 2 seed if we finish 23-7 and lose to Mississippi State or South Carolina in the SECT, going 0-1. Especially when we aren't considered a 2-seed as of right now, to begin with. I'm fairly confident you're alone on that island with your orange shades on.

And lastly, you either fail to realize or fail to acknowledge that the NCAAT is played on a neutral court. How you play away from home, neutral floor or away, matters. And you don't have to like it, acknowledge it, or believe it matters, but it will be a determining factor in fleshing out the teams seeded in the top 16 for seeds 1-4.

I'm just saying that if you're holding out hope for a 2 seed, then you better hope they perform better than your bare minimum baseline.

Outside of that, we can agree to disagree.
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Fair enough and trust me im not holding out hope I would think we would do better than one and done in the sec tournament but if we do win out and won a game in the sec tournament I will be pissed if we don’t get a two seed just based off of our metrics.
 
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#533
bleedingTNorange said:
Nova and TTU are 3’s, Purdue, Kentucky and Duke are the 2’s we have a chance at imo…those 5 teams are the main teams we need to be watching though imo.
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So 5 ahead to root against
Kentucky
Duke
Purdue
Nova
TT

and 5 behind to root against
Illinois
Wisconsin
Providence
UCLA
Texas
Arkansas

correct?
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
So 5 ahead to root against
Kentucky
Duke
Purdue
Nova
TT

and 5 behind to root against
Illinois
Wisconsin
Providence
UCLA
Texas
Arkansas

correct?
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I would probably throw Auburn into that group ahead of us worth paying attention to as well…

Auburn
Kentucky
Purdue
Duke
Texas Tech
Villanova
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Wisconsin
Providence
UCLA
Illinois
UCONN
Texas
 
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#535
bleedingTNorange said:
gotta jump 3 of these to get a 2…
Auburn: @MSST, SC
Kentucky: OM, @UF
Purdue: @Wisconsin, Indiana
Duke: @Pittsburgh, UNC
Texas Tech: K State, @OK State
Villnaova: Providence, @Butler

If we go 2-0 we jump any of those teams losing 1 game imo, then you head into tournament play…obviously 2 SEC teams on there, Texas Tech has to get past Baylor & Kansas most likely.
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We should pull for Providence to beat Villanova this week right? Or would Providence gain a lot of ground on us if they win?
 
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#537
Willy14 said:
We should pull for Providence to beat Villanova this week right? Or would Providence gain a lot of ground on us if they win?
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Definitely a double edged sword, I lean Providence to win cause I think we can stay in front of them fairly easily and Nova is just barely ahead of us, so theoretically even if Providence were to pass us we should pass Nova leaving us in the same spot…but 2-0 and we’d certainly stay ahead of Providence.
 
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#539
@Voltime123
Since you wanna talk about only true road games (for some unknown reason), Q1 road games….
Gonzaga 3-1
Arizona 2-2
Kentucky 4-5
Baylor 7-3
Kansas 6-3
Villanova 4-5
Duke 3-1
Texas Tech 3-6
Auburn 2-3
Purdue 2-3

Tennessee 2-5


So Tennessee has the worst winning % in Q1 road games of any team in the Top 11 seeds, and they’re a Vandy L away from being 1-5 in Q1 road games.

Also, neither of Tennessee’s 2 wins are against Top 50 NET teams, every other team on that list has at least 1.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
@Voltime123
Since you wanna talk about only true road games (for some unknown reason), Q1 road games….
Gonzaga 3-1
Arizona 2-2
Kentucky 4-5
Baylor 7-3
Kansas 6-3
Villanova 4-5
Duke 3-1
Texas Tech 3-6
Auburn 2-3
Purdue 2-3

Tennessee 2-5


So Tennessee has the worst winning % in Q1 road games of any team in the Top 11 seeds, and they’re a Vandy L away from being 1-5 in Q1 road games.

Also, neither of Tennessee’s 2 wins are against Top 50 NET teams, every other team on that list has at least 1.
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Lololololol so basically 4 teams out of the top ten have a winning record away from home against Quad 1 teams, 4 teams out of 10!!!!…All I said was that the top ten quad 1 away records are not that great either…

Also putting some of those stats into perspective could you list those Quad 1 wins away from home for just Duke and Gonzaga I’d love for you to post those teams…
 
#549
#549
Voltime123 said:
Fair enough and trust me im not holding out hope I would think we would do better than one and done in the sec tournament but if we do win out and won a game in the sec tournament I will be pissed if we don’t get a two seed just based off of our metrics.
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There’s no reason to get mad over a 2 vs 3 seed. It’s essentially the same thing as there’s not much difference between playing the 6 or 7 seed and you avoid the 1 seed until the Elite 8. There’s always chance for an upset and occasionally you get to play an 11 seed so sometimes it actually comes out better as a 3 seed in the second round compared to being a 2. Either way it’s best to be on the bottom half of the bracket if you aren’t the 1 seed.
 
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#550
Voltime123 said:
Lololololol so basically 4 teams out of the top ten have a winning record away from home against Quad 1 teams, 4 teams out of 10!!!!…All I said was that the top ten quad 1 away records are not that great either…

Also putting some of those stats into perspective could you list those Quad 1 wins away from home for just Duke and Gonzaga I’d love for you to post those teams…
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This was your original quote…

“ Name me other teams in the top ten that have top 25 wins away from home aside from the Kentucky vs Kansas game”

So you’re changing what it was you said you said.

And Duke’s wins away from home include e wins against #1 & #4, not sure how that helps your point lol. Gonzaga also has a better rein away from home than anything we have 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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