Official Watch Party Thread (NCAAT seeding edition)

#552
#552
Todays games:
Providence vs. Villanova
Ole Miss vs. Kentucky
Duke vs. Pittsburgh
Kansas vs. TCU
Purdue vs. Wisconsin
Cincinnati vs. Houston
Arizona vs. USC

Florida vs. Vanderbilt
 
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We need to discuss Providence @ Villanova & Purdue @ Wisconsin…Nova is 1 spot ahead of us but Providence is just 2 spots behind us. Purdue is 3 spots ahead of us and Wisconsin is just 1 spot behind us, all per most recent bracketmatrix.

Rooting for Providence & Wisconsin definitely increases chances of a 2 seed, but also could increase falling at a 4.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
We need to discuss Providence @ Villanova & Purdue @ Wisconsin…Nova is 1 spot ahead of us but Providence is just 2 spots behind us. Purdue is 3 spots ahead of us and Wisconsin is just 1 spot behind us, all per most recent bracketmatrix.

Rooting for Providence & Wisconsin definitely increases chances of a 2 seed, but also could increase falling at a 4.
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Purdue and Providence IMO. We’re not jumping Villanova if they continue to win no matter what we do. But, if Providence wins and we go 2-0 with a win or 2 in the SECT, I think the committee would favor us over them. Especially when I believe that Providence gets bounced early in the Big East tourney.

But, the other side of the argument holds about the same weight for Villanova to win. It’s kind of a win-lose situation regardless for that game. But we definitely need Purdue to win I feel like.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
This was your original quote…

“ Name me other teams in the top ten that have top 25 wins away from home aside from the Kentucky vs Kansas game”

So you’re changing what it was you said you said.

And Duke’s wins away from home include e wins against #1 & #4, not sure how that helps your point lol. Gonzaga also has a better rein away from home than anything we have 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Wins away from home as in true road games…again neutral site games are not true road games how many times does that need to be said…also this is the full quote at the bottom and I was specific that neutral court games are not true road games…but you continue to use them, give me Duke’s and Gonzaga best true road victories where they went into a hostile environment and won the game

“The narrative that we can’t win away is highly exaggerated. Name me other teams in the top ten that have top 25 wins away from home aside from the Kentucky vs Kansas game…the point is there are few and far between to choose from because those teams don’t have the strength of schedule like other teams do, neutrals courts don’t count…”
 
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Voltime123 said:
Lololololol so basically 4 teams out of the top ten have a winning record away from home against Quad 1 teams, 4 teams out of 10!!!!…All I said was that the top ten quad 1 away records are not that great either…

Also putting some of those stats into perspective could you list those Quad 1 wins away from home for just Duke and Gonzaga I’d love for you to post those teams…
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Come on now, you're being disingenuous, now. The bolded is not all you said. You originally challenged me to name which other teams in the top 10 had road wins against top-25 teams, as if you expected them to be few and far between.
The narrative that we can’t win away is highly exaggerated. Name me other teams in the top ten that have top 25 wins away from home aside from the Kentucky vs Kansas game.
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Since then, you've moved the goalposts to disqualify those wins on the basis that we played a tougher schedule. And now you're disqualifying over half of those because they don't have a winning record against Q1 teams.

Is it really that hard for you to see how those in disagreement with you believe you're simply custom-fitting your qualifiers to paint Tennessee's résumé in the most positive light? Have you considered how homer-ish your position is? And keep in mind, you're argument is with Tennessee fans, not some national pundit or Selection Committee member that might need to be convinced of Tennessee's worthiness. I'd think that might be a red flag in my opinion if I were met with that kind of resistance.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Come on now, you're being disingenuous, now. The bolded is not all you said. You originally challenged me to name which other teams in the top 10 had road wins against top-25 teams, as if you expected them to be few and far between.

Since then, you've moved the goalposts to disqualify those wins on the basis that we played a tougher schedule. And now you're disqualifying over half of those because they don't have a winning record against Q1 teams.

Is it really that hard for you to see how those in disagreement with you believe you're simply custom-fitting your qualifiers to paint Tennessee's résumé in the most positive light? Have you considered how homer-ish your position is? And keep in mind, you're argument is with Tennessee fans, not some national pundit or Selection Committee member that might need to be convinced of Tennessee's worthiness. I'd think that might be a red flag in my opinion if I were met with that kind of resistance.
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What goal post am I moving lol true road games are different from neutral site games…am I crazy to think that true road games where you are in a hostile environment is a way harder place to win than neutral site games?
 
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Voltime123 said:
What goal post am I moving lol true road games are different from neutral site games…am I crazy to think that true road games where you are in a hostile environment is a way harder place to win than neutral site games?
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Come on man...read it again, and then read it again, if necessary...
The narrative that we can’t win away is highly exaggerated. Name me other teams in the top ten that have top 25 wins away from home aside from the Kentucky vs Kansas game.
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You never once qualified those as "true road games in a hostile environment" in your original question. Only after you were provided with evidence that literally every team in the top 10 has a win away from home against top-25 did you move the goalposts. I literally provided multiple examples of how you moved the goalposts in my previous post. Reread the second paragraph.

And lastly, as has been pointed out to you by multiple people, the NCAAT is played on a neutral court.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Come on man...read it again, and then read it again, if necessary...

You never once qualified those as "true road games in a hostile environment" in your original question. Only after you were provided with evidence that literally every team in the top 10 has a win away from home against top-25 did you move the goalposts. I literally provided multiple examples of how you moved the goalposts in my previous post. Reread the second paragraph.

And lastly, as has been pointed out to you by multiple people, the NCAAT is played on a neutral court.
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“The narrative that we can’t win away is highly exaggerated. Name me other teams in the top ten that have top 25 wins away from home aside from the Kentucky vs Kansas game…the point is there are few and far between to choose from because those teams don’t have the strength of schedule like other teams do, neutrals courts don’t count…”
 
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I think the risk of falling behind Wisconsin is greater than the chance of us jumping Purdue. As much as I'd love a 2 seed, I really don't want to fall to a 4. Purdue winning a big road game tonight will really make it tough for us to leap over them, but that's the direction I'm leaning.
 
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Voltime123 said:
“The narrative that we can’t win away is highly exaggerated. Name me other teams in the top ten that have top 25 wins away from home aside from the Kentucky vs Kansas game…the point is there are few and far between to choose from because those teams don’t have the strength of schedule like other teams do, neutrals courts don’t count…”
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Remind me again why neutral courts don't count as I remind you again that the NCAAT is played on a neutral court.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
We need to discuss Providence @ Villanova & Purdue @ Wisconsin…Nova is 1 spot ahead of us but Providence is just 2 spots behind us. Purdue is 3 spots ahead of us and Wisconsin is just 1 spot behind us, all per most recent bracketmatrix.

Rooting for Providence & Wisconsin definitely increases chances of a 2 seed, but also could increase falling at a 4.
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I’ll say it’s a win/win either way. But if I had to weigh the two, I’d rather cement ourselves as a 3 vs risking falling to a 4. difference between 2 and 3 isn’t as big as between 3 and 4 IMO
 
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cncchris33 said:
Remind me again why neutral courts don't count as I remind you again that the NCAAT is played on a neutral court.
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wtmvol said:
Because Voltime said so, that's why.
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cncchris33 said:
It's science.
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It’s no secret that the NCAAT is played on a neutral court the argument however was based on the fact that other teams didn’t have a great record in away games neutral court excluded (because they are not hostile environments) how are you guys missing this?
 
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Voltime123 said:
What goal post am I moving lol true road games are different from neutral site games…am I crazy to think that true road games where you are in a hostile environment is a way harder place to win than neutral site games?
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Well Duke has 3 “TRUE ROAD WINS” better than anything we have, so again not helping your case.
 
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golfballs said:
I’ll say it’s a win/win either way. But if I had to weigh the two, I’d rather cement ourselves as a 3 vs risking falling to a 4. difference between 2 and 3 isn’t as big as between 3 and 4 IMO
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If I had a crystal ball and knew we were going 2-0 to end the regular season I think we’d all go with the greedy option no questions asked
 
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Voltime123 said:
It’s no secret that the NCAAT is played on a neutral court the argument however was based on the fact that other teams didn’t have a great record in away games neutral court excluded (because they are not hostile environments) how are you guys missing this?
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I'm not missing what you're saying. I just don't understand the reasoning behind you saying it. The committee doesn't zero in on road game performance against the top 25. Maybe that plays some type of subjective role in a particular committee member's head. But they're using the more holistic team sheet approach that looks at records by quadrant which already factors in whether the game was home, away, or neutral.
 
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wtmvol said:
I'm not missing what you're saying. I just don't understand the reasoning behind you saying it. The committee doesn't zero in on road game performance against the top 25. Maybe that plays some type of subjective role in a particular committee member's head. But they're using the more holistic team sheet approach that looks at records by quadrant which already factors in whether the game was home, away, or neutral.
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The reasoning is subjective, I guess I put more weight on true away victories but im not part of the selection committee. Also leads to the fact that a team like Duke should be hamstrung for how garbage the ACC is even though that’s not their fault
 
#572
#572
One thing I'm absolutely loving is that the Vols definitely seem to be flying under the radar. I guess that may be a bad thing when it comes to actual seeding, but I generally relish the idea of being ignored by the talking heads. All I seem to be hearing is how dangerous Arkansas and Alabama will be in the post-season, and, of course, the praise (deservedly so) for Kentucky and Auburn. I don't think I'm being paranoid, but I honestly am hearing very, very little mention of the Vols in the tourney discussions.
 
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wtmvol said:
I'm not missing what you're saying. I just don't understand the reasoning behind you saying it. The committee doesn't zero in on road game performance against the top 25. Maybe that plays some type of subjective role in a particular committee member's head. But they're using the more holistic team sheet approach that looks at records by quadrant which already factors in whether the game was home, away, or neutral.
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Subjectively which win is more impressive Kentucky beating Kansas at Kansas…or Duke beating Gonzaga on a neutral floor?
 
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