Oh Wonderful! Flu Vaccine May Not Work

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Just saw on tv some dude is trying out an Ebola vaccine. Gonna shoot him up with Ebola in a couple of weeks.
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joevol33 said:
I honestly think its fishy that most people I know who get the vaccine end up sick. Then the Dr always tells them its a different strain us why. The whole time people in their 30's are dropping dead from strokes and heart problems, and tons of babies are getting autism and crap. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but my parents generation and grandparents never had all this and you couldn't kill them! 80, 90, and older wearing what they wanted. Never heard of half the diseases. Just funny to me.
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There are so many environmental factors that into cancer. Our food system alone is one of major problems.

While I am skeptical of big pharma in general. Vaccines are not the problem.

Ever heard of anybody getting smallpox? No? That's because vaccines wiped it out.

Polio would have been a distant memory world wide if the anti-vax movement hadn't cropped up.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo&sns=em[/youtube]
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
There are so many environmental factors that into cancer. Our food system alone is one of major problems.

While I am skeptical of big pharma in general. Vaccines are not the problem.

Ever heard of anybody getting smallpox? No? That's because vaccines wiped it out.

Polio would have been a distant memory world wide if the anti-vax movement hadn't cropped up.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo&sns=em[/youtube]
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Again, I never said they caused anything. I'm not anti-vax, I just said its fishy and to me it really is. I don't spend hours on the internet doing research, nor do I ever talk about it other than just saying it was fishy on this forum. Something has happened over the last40 years maybe tthat played into some of it. Peoples bodies are different some may react to the vaccine and have long term problems. In no way did I say nor think its a conspiracy.
 
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joevol33 said:
You've never seen a cancer patient doing fairly descent until chemo or radiation, then boom they're dead? I have a wife with a bad case of lupus who wasn't as bad until these 14 pills a day. I'm not saying its a conspiracy and they're trying to kill us, but I do think a lot of medicine hurts more than it helps. Just my opinion though. I reckon its OK to have one, and your entitled to yours.
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Chemotherapy has given my father a chance to live longer.
 
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This only bothers me further that I let Nurse Cratchett, who literally struck a nerve w/ me, give me the flu shot.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
Chemotherapy has given my father a chance to live longer.
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No doubt it helps a lot of people, and prayers for your dad. I believe our bodies are different though. My wife's grandmother had lung cancer for a few years and refused chemo or radiation. Back in September a new Dr talked her into it. She died in October. Its just different for different people. Hope the best for your dad.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
Chemotherapy has given my father a chance to live longer.
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Nerd, just saw this. I'm sorry, brother - not that he's getting the necessary treatment, but that he needs it to begin with. My thoughts are with you and your father.
 
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Velo Vol said:
There is a benefit from getting a shot, even if it's the wrong strain?
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Yes, there is some "cross-protection" due to genetic similarities between stains. The mist is better in this regard, due to IgA production as a front line mucosal defense. It is less helpful when a huge shift occurs, as in the case of the H1N1 virus a few years ago.
 
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joevol33 said:
I honestly think its fishy that most people I know who get the vaccine end up sick. Then the Dr always tells them its a different strain us why. The whole time people in their 30's are dropping dead from strokes and heart problems, and tons of babies are getting autism and crap. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but my parents generation and grandparents never had all this and you couldn't kill them! 80, 90, and older wearing what they wanted. Never heard of half the diseases. Just funny to me.
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"Most people" you know that get the shot end up with the flu? If you have any reasonable sample size, plenty of researchers would jump at that study.

I vaccinate thousands of kids every year and we only have a handful at most that end up with influenza. All 5 members of my household are vaccinated every year; never a case.

As to the doctor conspiracies: if people had any idea how much more $ we make off sick visits for the flu and its complications vs the tiny charge for vaccine administration, they might change their tune.
 
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I got flu one year after missing my flu shot. Never again. The only time I've ever felt worse in my life was with mycoplasma pneumonia.

I got this year's flu shot a month ago (had to wait until done with a steroid taper for asthma.) The injection site ached for 3-4 days, and I might have felt a bit ugh during that time. If this was related to the vaccination, as opposed to just feeling ugh anyway, I would guess that it was my body's immune response, and that's what I want it to do, or else why get the shot?

Anyway, I respect people's subjective views of how their bodies have responded to various medical treatments, but I'll take post-vaccination ugh's over honest-to-God flu any day of the week.
 
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joevol33 said:
No doubt it helps a lot of people, and prayers for your dad. I believe our bodies are different though. My wife's grandmother had lung cancer for a few years and refused chemo or radiation. Back in September a new Dr talked her into it. She died in October. Its just different for different people. Hope the best for your dad.
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You think it's possible she put it off too long?

Chemo is hard on the body. It's not a guaranteed cure. Overall my guess is chemo has saved many more lives than ended them.
 
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I'm not anti-vaccine. I do believe there are many vaccines that help us lead healthier lives, but I think there is too much bad science involved with the research and development of an annual vaccine for influenza. The CDC does not follow the law for vaccines in requiring long-term safety testing for the influenza vaccine like they do with other vaccines. So, you can't really compare the effecacy and long term safety of polio vaccine against an influenza vaccine that may be completely different year to year.

Here's another link to a study that proves you can't trust everything the CDC tells us. How many times have we been told, "This is a common myth" pertaining to possible health impacts from receiving the vaccination?

Vaccination may make flu worse if exposed to a second strain
 
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I had the flu about 6 years ago - worst experience of my life. I couldn't believe how bad I felt. It was horrendous. Completely out of commission for a week. Lost 12 pounds. For those of you who've never had it pray you stay that way.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Thanks. That link helped me find something that basically proves what I originally claimed.

Increased risk of non-influenza respiratory virus infections associated with receipt of inactivated influenza vaccine

"Being protected against influenza, TIV recipients may lack temporary non-specific immunity that protected against other respiratory viruses."

See what you can find when you don't automatically take everything the CDC claims as gospel.
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You also can't draw conclusions from a single study that included only about 100 participants. For reference, one of the oft-referenced safety studies on flu vaccines included 2.5 million recipients.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
You also can't draw conclusions from a single study that included only about 100 participants. For reference, one of the oft-referenced safety studies on flu vaccines included 2.5 million recipients.
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Understood. However, this study shows that you can't dismiss the possibility of it negatively affecting your immune system as "a common myth". It very well may have a negative impact according to this data.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
"Most people" you know that get the shot end up with the flu? If you have any reasonable sample size, plenty of researchers would jump at that study.

I vaccinate thousands of kids every year and we only have a handful at most that end up with influenza. All 5 members of my household are vaccinated every year; never a case.

As to the doctor conspiracies: if people had any idea how much more $ we make off sick visits for the flu and its complications vs the tiny charge for vaccine administration, they might change their tune.
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All 5 of us take the vaccine as well. I was just saying a lot of people just end up with the flu. Its always a "different" strain after the vaccine. Just weird to me no conspiracy.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Yes, there is some "cross-protection" due to genetic similarities between stains. The mist is better in this regard, due to IgA production as a front line mucosal defense. It is less helpful when a huge shift occurs, as in the case of the H1N1 virus a few years ago.
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Thanks. I really should get a shot. I take immune suppression drugs, which makes the prospect of getting sick even worse.

joevol33 said:
I'm no conspiracy theorist, but my parents generation and grandparents never had all this and you couldn't kill them! 80, 90, and older wearing what they wanted. Never heard of half the diseases. Just funny to me.
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Sure. No one ever had a problem with the flu before doctors started giving shots. /headdesk

1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Velo Vol said:
Thanks. I really should get a shot. I take immune suppression drugs, which makes the prospect of getting sick even worse.



Sure. No one ever had a problem with the flu before doctors started giving shots. /headdesk

1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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My grandmother nearly died from it. If she had, her two kids wouldn't exist, and their four kids, and their six kids... Strange thought.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Add that the H1N1 pandemic ended shortly after the release of the vaccine a couple years ago. Nearly 8,000 people died from it in a few months before that.
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I was seeing multiple kids with H1N1 almost every day. Those cases disappeared within a couple weeks of vaccination. We had no serious vaccine events in the entire office of 3 docs and thousands of kids.
 
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VolNExile said:
My grandmother nearly died from it. If she had, her two kids wouldn't exist, and their four kids, and their six kids... Strange thought.
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This is being lost with the efficacy of vaccines. We forget history. Our grandparents would never have imagined people would refuse vaccines, when so many of them lost family members to polio, measles, pneumococcus, HiB, meningitis, whooping cough, chicken pox, influenza, etc.
 
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