Ohio State in More Trouble (merged)

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pl3 said:
I thought they played in the bowl, and are suspended the first 5 next year.
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Correct. The 'AA restored their eligibilty after adding the five game suspension for next year. My earlier post wasn't very clear.
 
#253
#253
Suckeye idiots coming out the woodwork on whichever national sports radio show I happen to be listening to.

The choir says nothing wrong in Columbus.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Agree! This is much worse than Pearl but this is early in game. Will be interesting to see media's coverage, especially next season. Still think he won't survive this and OSU will get hit. Have to.
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By itself, it's not "much worse" than Pearl. Tressell didn't commit the underlying violations; the underlying violations were kids selling their own property for fair market value. Tressell didn't lie directly to an NCAA inquiry, nor did his assistants to so, nor did he partake in the lies or ask a recruit's father to do so. On it's face, it's definitely not "far worse." He should still be fired for sending in a false certification and withholding information about violations concerning eligibility.

What would be far worse is something else that may be the case -- Tressell apparently asked for the names of the kids involved in order to have "collateral" on them. Sounds like he wanted something he could hold over the kids as practically blackmail. That would be worse than Pearl.
 
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I wouldn't consider myself a fan of Tressel, but he has had a good career up to this point. He made Youngstown State competitive over a lengthy period of time and then had immediate success when joined back up with Ohio State. He seems to be a great fit for Ohio State. That said, I don't see Mr. Sweater Vest surviving this problem.
 
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Sir orangealot said:
Wouldn't say this is worse than Pearl (mainly because of the issue of trying to persuade a recruits father to change his story). But it is awfully close to being equal.
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This is WAY worse than Pearl. He lied about a MAJOR VIOLATION. On top of that he is obviously lying more today. Saying that I think Bruce is gone. The difference is OSU might get hit with post season ban and 2010 season will be wiped for sure.
 
#259
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not reading through the whole thread. a 2 game suspension? that's nothing. hell, idk what they will do without their coach while playing akron and toledo.
 
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Scottyhop said:
This is WAY worse than Pearl. He lied about a MAJOR VIOLATION. On top of that he is obviously lying more today. Saying that I think Bruce is gone. The difference is OSU might get hit with post season ban and 2010 season will be wiped for sure.
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He lied like Pearl and had committed infractions at a previous school like Pearl, but Tressel didn't orchestrate a big plan between players, coaches and families to get out of it.
 
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VegasVol said:
By itself, it's not "much worse" than Pearl. Tressell didn't commit the underlying violations; the underlying violations were kids selling their own property for fair market value. Tressell didn't lie directly to an NCAA inquiry, nor did his assistants to so, nor did he partake in the lies or ask a recruit's father to do so. On it's face, it's definitely not "far worse." He should still be fired for sending in a false certification and withholding information about violations concerning eligibility.

What would be far worse is something else that may be the case -- Tressell apparently asked for the names of the kids involved in order to have "collateral" on them. Sounds like he wanted something he could hold over the kids as practically blackmail. That would be worse than Pearl.
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If Tressel knowingly played ineligible players, it's worse than a minor recruiting violation.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
He lied like Pearl and had committed infractions at a previous school like Pearl, but Tressel didn't orchestrate a big plan between players, coaches and families to get out of it.
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Bruce was lying about hot dogs. Tressel was lying about his players selling their stuff. Can you be declared ineligible for eating too many hot dogs?
 
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#263
The way tosu handled this makes UT look good. If they had come out and fired SV then UT's penalty would have looked very weak. IMO this benefits BP.
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VegasVol said:
By itself, it's not "much worse" than Pearl. Tressell didn't commit the underlying violations; the underlying violations were kids selling their own property for fair market value. Tressell didn't lie directly to an NCAA inquiry, nor did his assistants to so, nor did he partake in the lies or ask a recruit's father to do so. On it's face, it's definitely not "far worse." He should still be fired for sending in a false certification and withholding information about violations concerning eligibility.

What would be far worse is something else that may be the case -- Tressell apparently asked for the names of the kids involved in order to have "collateral" on them. Sounds like he wanted something he could hold over the kids as practically blackmail. That would be worse than Pearl.
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Just a couple of questions for ya...You think Playing players you know are ineligable might be a violation.Do you know that he didnt lie to investigators?
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
He lied like Pearl and had committed infractions at a previous school like Pearl, but Tressel didn't orchestrate a big plan between players, coaches and families to get out of it.
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Why do people always pretend to know what was done or said.you have no clue what Tressel may or may not have orchestrated and for that matter what Pearl actually done.
 
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tvolsfan said:
As far as the original topic, I like Tressel and the Buckeyes, so I hope this isn't true.
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They are both dirty, Tressel admitted it's true. Emails show it as well. OSU has a decade of pure filth, Maurice Clarrett has cred now, been saying how shade Tressel is.
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Scottyhop said:
This is WAY worse than Pearl. He lied about a MAJOR VIOLATION. On top of that he is obviously lying more today. Saying that I think Bruce is gone. The difference is OSU might get hit with post season ban and 2010 season will be wiped for sure.
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This. Anyone who reads the entire story and the emails along with the last decade's events, knows this is much worse.
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#270
this does make Pearl look better because he had no money or criminals involved .....saying that its still like being the tallest midget in the room....
 
#271
#271
All I can say is Karma strikes again. Ohio State turned in Pearl after he derailed there overrated hoops team in the sweet 16 and now less than a year later there involved in their own scandal. Hope Thad Matta crossed his T and dotted his i because when the NCAA is in house they look at everything. Just ask CBP what happened when Kiffin brought them to campus.
 
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justingroves said:
I disagree.

The SEC penalized Pearl.

Ohio State penalized itself.
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Wrong. TN penalized itself with the recruiting handicaps and penalized Pearl by keeping his $$$$$. Exactly how do you, in your wildest dreams, imagine OSU penalized itself? I could coach OSU to wins over Akron and Toledo.
 
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#273
People here in Columbus are so indignant. They think it's an outrage that Tressel is getting in trouble for this. And think the self-imposed penalties are more than enough punishment.

I don't see any way that Tressel escapes being slapped with failure to monitor and failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance. And for lying to both the school's compliance officers and the NCAA, me might get charged with unethical conduct. Those are major violations whose punishments will be more serious than a 2 game suspension and measly fine. It's unfortunate that Pearl's penalties will likely be punished before Tressel, because I have a feeling that Pearl will get worse based on the two programs' national standing.

I'd also like to say that Gordon Gee is a spineless dweeb. It figures someone like that would come from Vandy.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The way tosu handled this makes UT look good. If they had come out and fired SV then UT's penalty would have looked very weak. IMO this benefits BP.
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I don't know why people keep saying Pearl benefits from this. Pearl is screwed, regardless. This just takes some of the attention off Tennessee desperately trying to hold on the Pearl.
 
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