Omari needs to be suspended (he apologizes)

#51
#51
Mike Tyson said something like this once, “The problem with people in today’s society is that most people haven’t ever been punched in the face really hard”. That is very true. Stay out of peoples faces or you might face some serious repercussions. In today’s society people have a sense of security because they know if the other party does something, they’ll catch a charge and go to jail. Personally, I miss the days of being able to take care of business without involving law enforcement. If a person thinks they might catch a left jab and then right cross they’d be less likely to get in your face.
 
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The usual Vols player haters condemning our own players before knowing the facts. If he was being an a-hole, I agree - BYE, and never come back. But not knowing the facts, there are questions. Did the fan do something prior to the push? Throw an object? Stomp Omari's foot? Hurl an insult? Spit on him?

These days people's behavior has become so despicable, I feel at times they need a flatiron skillet to the face. You Karens who assault people due to skin tone, parking their cars in their own parking spaces, you got people who think it is OK to lay their hands on you for just minding your own business. Just look at society today, and our so-called leaders, and pillars of community. So what happened before the Omari shove? We don't know, until/unless Josh tells us. But we have fans swift and eager to be judge, jury, and executors. Who then turn around and behave in actions as bad or worse.
 
#53
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Sudden Impact said:
That's a reach and a spin. You see all that in a shove and then turn it into an entire team statement. Grow up.
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Lol. So it’s a reach and a spin when our guys do it, but when Burton did basically the same thing to a girl in 2022 this board wanted him kicked off the team and talked about how Saban’s culture led to him doing that. Take off the orange-tinted glasses.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Absolutely but we completely trashed burton and should hold our guys to the same standard.
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Other_Guy said:
Absolutely but we completely trashed burton and should hold our guys to the same standard.
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the girl is a cheerleader the guys wearing the same color are both of them cheerleaders.
Then they have just much right to be on the field ?
 
#56
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DooleyOrangePants said:
This times x1000.

We have one week to clean up whatever is going on with this team. Do that, and this loss is forgiven (but probably not forgotten). But seeing this and the inexplicable things that have been happening since the OK game suggests problems beyond just mere execution or lack thereof.
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Are there other things that have happened since the OU game beyond this loss and pushing the fan?
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
The usual Vols player haters condemning our own players before knowing the facts. If he was being an a-hole, I agree - BYE, and never come back. But not knowing the facts, there are questions. Did the fan do something prior to the push? Throw an object? Stomp Omari's foot? Hurl an insult? Spit on him?

These days people's behavior has become so despicable, I feel at times they need a flatiron skillet to the face. You Karens who assault people due to skin tone, parking their cars in their own parking spaces, you got people who think it is OK to lay their hands on you for just minding your own business. Just look at society today, and our so-called leaders, and pillars of community. So what happened before the Omari shove? We don't know, until/unless Josh tells us. But we have fans swift and eager to be judge, jury, and executors. Who then turn around and behave in actions as bad or worse.
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Seems like you're trying hard justify his actions and doing the very thing you're complaining about. You're doing the "asking questions" routine where you pretend you're trying to be fair but based on how little you spent on "Maybe he did something wrong" and your diatribe about how maybe he didn't clearly shows which way you're leaning.

I was taught to live the priniciples you claim to follow and if you don't like someone doing something, don't do it yourself. Even if the guy said something and he clearly more runs into him than pushes, are we now saying it's cool he just shoves the hell out of him into another person? The answer is no. Does it mean he shoudl be kicked off the team, no, but stop trying so hard to justify stupid behavior.
 
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BobbyMcGee said:
My first impression is that the boy deserved to get pushed to the ground. Probably, he should had even expected to be pushed to the ground.
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I disagree. The fan may have said something stupid, but the players need to move on and exit the field. The fan did not appear to physically engage/asaault the player or staff member, so shoving him to the ground was an overreaction.
 
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Would agree with a suspension, don’t think he needs to be kicked off the team for it. It’s not the same as Burton idc what anyone says, but you still can’t do it. Full game suspension and move on.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Seems like you're trying hard justify his actions and doing the very thing you're complaining about. You're doing the "asking questions" routine where you pretend you're trying to be fair but based on how little you spent on "Maybe he did something wrong" and your diatribe about how maybe he didn't clearly shows which way you're leaning.

I was taught to live the priniciples you claim to follow and if you don't like someone doing something, don't do it yourself. Even if the guy said something and he clearly more runs into him than pushes, are we now saying it's cool he just shoves the hell out of him into another person? The answer is no. Does it mean he shoudl be kicked off the team, no, but stop trying so hard to justify stupid behavior.
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Wasn't justifying, was condemning the quick judging him sans knowing the facts. Sounds like you're in favor of pardoning people like this guy. Perhaps he should receive a parade and given a medal of daring or something according to your playbook.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Lol. So it’s a reach and a spin when our guys do it, but when Burton did basically the same thing to a girl in 2022 this board wanted him kicked off the team and talked about how Saban’s culture led to him doing that. Take off the orange-tinted glasses.
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two wrongs don't make a right. A whole lot of wrongs in both incidences. No she pursued her case to get Burton charged. It did not happen did it.? Saban dealt with it the way he did and kept it private. Let the facts come out and let's see what happened.

I don't take kindly to calling the entire team undisciplined at the moment for one player's mistake.
We have what we got. Vanderbilt hit the field yesterday and no incident not enough fans. (Funny that they threw the GP in the Cumberland.) Arkansas did and there was an incident.

SEC handled it when Tennessee did and guess what their policy is a total failure in protecting the players. What's more, the policy the SEC implemented has not curtailed anything in BB as well.
SEC wants to stop it then make a policy that sticks.

I don't see very many people swimming at beaches with two red flags waving. There are a few but not many being served alcohol. Protect the players. If Omari had been roaming the field individually not a problem, but the fact is he was headed to the team locker room with the team.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
The usual Vols player haters condemning our own players before knowing the facts. If he was being an a-hole, I agree - BYE, and never come back. But not knowing the facts, there are questions. Did the fan do something prior to the push? Throw an object? Stomp Omari's foot? Hurl an insult? Spit on him?

These days people's behavior has become so despicable, I feel at times they need a flatiron skillet to the face. You Karens who assault people due to skin tone, parking their cars in their own parking spaces, you got people who think it is OK to lay their hands on you for just minding your own business. Just look at society today, and our so-called leaders, and pillars of community. So what happened before the Omari shove? We don't know, until/unless Josh tells us. But we have fans swift and eager to be judge, jury, and executors. Who then turn around and behave in actions as bad or worse.
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I commend Omari for his passion. Don’t get in peoples faces unless you’re willing to pay the price. It’s that simple. Good lord we live in a society of Karen’s.
 
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Punished yes. Pushing a dude vs outreached swipe at a female. A one game suspension for Omari. Burton should have at least missed 2 games.
 
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Creeker said:
Would agree with a suspension, don’t think he needs to be kicked off the team for it. It’s not the same as Burton idc what anyone says, but you still can’t do it. Full game suspension and move on.
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I don’t think he needs to be kicked off the team. I’m not even sure he needs to be suspended. If other teams aren’t going to set a precedent, there is no need for us to do it. But him doing it is definitely a bad look and our coaches should better prepare a Top 5-10 team of what might happen when you lose a road game and how to conduct yourselves.
 
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NO SIR EEE said:
Go back and watch it again. Slow it down. The Arkansas fan literally runs right through the team. Go around, don’t be an *******. Deserved
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landscapingvol said:
One pushed a dude and the other pushed a girl
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One had full pads, the other a fan celebrating. Nothing justifies this. This board was lit up because Saban took no action in 2022. Let's see how Heupel handles it. I'd toss him permanently, but that's just me - I hated it when the Bama guy did it to our fans, and honestly - this looks worse. Will it hurt the team? Damn right it will. If that's the only thing you are worried about, you are the same as the Bama fans defending their guy. There should be zero tolerance for this.

So if he can do it, just because nothing happened to Burton - I don't buy that either. If there are no consequences for bad behavior, the bad behavior continues.
 
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Creeker said:
Would agree with a suspension, don’t think he needs to be kicked off the team for it. It’s not the same as Burton idc what anyone says, but you still can’t do it. Full game suspension and move on.
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I'm OK with a half game suspension and a public apology. He has never shown to be a problem before. I think this is a case where emotions and probably some fan slander got the better. Also apologize to the young woman that had a grown man hurled like a rag doll into her.
 
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lukeneyland said:
He pushed a dude. He didn’t come close to hurting him. Why in the hell would you run straight through the team on their way to the tunnel
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The same way our fans ran thru AL team end of the 2022 game…..excitement, stupidity.
I was there and saw it.
It is getting out of control, and there should be more severe penalties before some overly excited fan or player gets seriously hurt.
 
#68
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ptcarter said:
One had full pads, the other a fan celebrating. Nothing justifies this. This board was lit up because Saban took no action in 2022. Let's see how Heupel handles it. I'd toss him permanently, but that's just me - I hated it when the Bama guy did it to our fans, and honestly - this looks worse. Will it hurt the team? Damn right it will. If that's the only thing you are worried about, you are the same as the Bama fans defending their guy. There should be zero tolerance for this.

So if he can do it, just because nothing happened to Burton - I don't buy that either. If there are no consequences for bad behavior, the bad behavior continues.
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So I run a 1 red light and a caution sign and blame it on the person was in their full right to be at said place, walking away from the chaos. Omari should have ignored it but we do not have the facts and may never know.

Coach is going to have the player's back but that does not mean the coach will not discipline him. Throwing him off the team does not accomplish anything.

We are moving towards an NFL type farm league with NIL portal and other things. However, we are doing so without NFL governance and specified rules. Storming the field is not on the NFL books.
 
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ptcarter said:
One had full pads, the other a fan celebrating. Nothing justifies this. This board was lit up because Saban took no action in 2022. Let's see how Heupel handles it. I'd toss him permanently, but that's just me - I hated it when the Bama guy did it to our fans, and honestly - this looks worse. Will it hurt the team? Damn right it will. If that's the only thing you are worried about, you are the same as the Bama fans defending their guy. There should be zero tolerance for this.

So if he can do it, just because nothing happened to Burton - I don't buy that either. If there are no consequences for bad behavior, the bad behavior continues.
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Even though I don't condone Omari assaulting fans or anyone else outside of a game, if it isn't self defense, I think tossing him off the team is too much.

The man is massive and shoves people out of his way all game long. I'll give him the "heat of the moment game style" shove in pads, right after a game, on the field understanding. From a guy with his role on the field, that shove wouldn't register on the Coach Rodney Garner scale of enough aggression from Omari. It looks awful on video but in the reality of his world on the field, he didn't drive through the man, didn't align his body correctly, didn't do much really but turn and shove. It wasn't malicious (like it should be in a game) but a quick reaction.

Shove somebody like that on the Strip on a Tuesday, you'll never wear orange again. Period.

Shove somebody like that on a Saturday 10 minutes earlier and you're half-assing your job.

I don't boot him because he didn't appear malicious. It looks dumb. I daresay unless it comes out the guy intentionally bumped Omari, it was dumb, but it was a little reaction from a very big guy. Discipline, for sure, but tossing him is too much.
 
#73
#73
The blame goes on the University of Arkansas just like it belongs to the University of Tennessee.
Told to enforce and ensure that this does not happen. It did twice yesterday. Problem is you may start watching a game through a chain fence or plexiglass.
Football is a violent sport, mixing of football players and fans on the field of play is not good.
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
Are there other things that have happened since the OU game beyond this loss and pushing the fan?
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The entire offensive scheme and dynamic changed, that’s the most glaring.

Rumors and speculation about certain players being out all night. Not a huge deal, but given what we are seeing on the field, could there be some overlap or focus issues?

Clock management being an issue.

Lack of focus & preparation confirmed by players after the loss.

All fixable things, to be sure. Just something feels very off with the team right now. Even the body language last night suggested something was amiss.
 
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