On Hopson's Last Shot

#52
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LawVol13 said:
They got the ball with about 27 seconds left in the game, which is almost exactly when we got possession of the ball against MSU. They shot it with 6 seconds to go. All I have ever stated on here is that is when I think the shot should be taken not with 12 seconds.
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I don't think there's any doubt that the shot we wanted was either JP slashing or Chism down low.
 
#53
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LawVol13 said:
They got the ball with about 27 seconds left in the game, which is almost exactly when we got possession of the ball against MSU. They shot it with 6 seconds to go. All I have ever stated on here is that is when I think the shot should be taken not with 12 seconds.
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12 and 9 seconds aren't that much difference if Thomas had taken the shot in 1987. The ultimate point being that you take the first good look when down and give yourself an opportunity to foul and a decent amount of time for another possession, if necessary, like in the Michigan State-Maryland game. Yes, maybe we had a better shot coming, but that's a big risk you take in turning down an open look with 12 seconds left. Then, you're Jerry Tarkanian asking why Larry Johnson turned down a shot.
 
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Unimane said:
Fair enough, I'll take that as a concession and I'll concede that Woolridge sucks.:)

Although, I do hope that Woolridge turns out like the other previous whipping boys on our team, JP, Bobby, Melvin and Brian, in the end.
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There you go. You're finally coming around.

I meant nothing personal by anything I said, just a difference of opinion. Have a good one.
 
#55
#55
Woolridge may not be awesome at basketball, but he's very excited about his new mixtape, coming out April 4th!

So there's that.

I still hope the kid makes it, he seems like a good dude.
 
#56
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LawVol13 said:
There you go. You're finally coming around.

I meant nothing personal by anything I said, just a difference of opinion. Have a good one.
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I still think it pitiful that he's called "Swipersuck", though I can't remember who did it. I'm just not one for mocking my own team's players, especially a genuinely good kid like Renaldo.

Anyway, I'm cool with everything. Just got into a heated debate between fellow Vols.
 
#57
#57
Let's get one thing str8 for all involved in the discussion. If you think that the shot was contested you either A)have the bball IQ of an average 7th grade girl hooper or B) Only seen it one time (live). He CLEARLY had 3-4 feet of space between himself and the defender(s). Watch the damn replay, geez. On a scale of 1-10, the contesting (if that's the proper tense? Lol) of the shot was a 0, that's right 0 late fouls on the arm of a jumpshooter= fail. Did it work out for them? Yes. But soley judging the "contesting" of the shot, fail.
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Titanic said:
Woolridge may not be awesome at basketball, but he's very excited about his new mixtape, coming out April 4th!

So there's that.

I still hope the kid makes it, he seems like a good dude.
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PM's are to many screens to load via mobile. So, titanic, do you know swipes? I've attempted to contact him before through his piano tutor to no avail. I'm in the industry and would love nothing more than to work with a Vol that happens to be an artist. If you know how to get solid info to him or get in touch with him you'd be well taken care of.
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#60
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I don't think that shot, by hopson, is what pearl had in mind with the final 4 on the line.
 
#61
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LawVol13 said:
1) No, it wasn't.

2) He should have shot the ball with enough time to get a putback. You don't shoot it with enough time for the other team to come down and make a couple passes to get a shot.

3) This is correct but only when it's in a transition type situation like Michigan State had not when you have 30 seconds to work with. They were easily able to set up their defense because we didn't push the ball up the floor.
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ding ding ding i agree 100% with this post. the OP wonders where everyone got their bball knowledge, but i wonder where he got his. it seems pretty obvious that he got his experience from church league.

The second point i couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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Unimane said:
Well, two things. One, it is not "my philosophy", it is a fundamental philosophy accepted by every coach I've ever known (as I stated in the beginning). Secondly, it wasn't a simple "disagreement" when you were saying it was stupid for Scotty to shoot it so early.

As far as the Michigan State-Maryland game, the shot clock differential was about 2 seconds, so that negates it's practical relevance to the argument. And, I still would like the names of these "most coaches" because I don't know a single one. I listed a number of coaches who do it the way I explained and could throw in a bunch more, if necessary, because that's how a good coach does it.

It's not like I conjured up this thought in order to remain some "Pearlophile".
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No one in their right mind would take a shot with 12 seconds left that would give you a 1 point lead, assuming you hit the shot, and give the other team 12 seconds to get a good shot to beat you. It was not a good decision by Hopson and I'm sure that was not what Pearl was looking for in that instance. If you had 25 seconds on the clock, your argument would be sound, not with 12 seconds left.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
No one in their right mind would take a shot with 12 seconds left that would give you a 1 point lead, assuming you hit the shot, and give the other team 12 seconds to get a good shot to beat you. It was not a good decision by Hopson and I'm sure that was not what Pearl was looking for in that instance. If you had 25 seconds on the clock, your argument would be sound, not with 12 seconds left.
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Yes you would. Your argument is asinine. Say you miss, they get the rebound and you foul. Even if they hit both free throws you have six or seven seconds to come down and try to hit a three to force overtime. When you are losing, the goal is to extend the game and give yourself as many chances as possible to get back to even or get ahead. Holding the ball til there's only time for a putback removes the potential to foul and tie on a miss and an opponent rebound, which is completely the opposite of what coaches are trying to do in that situation. They want as many opportunities as possible.
 
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Titanic said:
Yes you would. Your argument is asinine. Say you miss, they get the rebound and you foul. Even if they hit both free throws you have six or seven seconds to come down and try to hit a three to force overtime. When you are losing, the goal is to extend the game and give yourself as many chances as possible to get back to even or get ahead. Holding the ball til there's only time for a putback removes the potential to foul and tie on a miss and an opponent rebound, which is completely the opposite of what coaches are trying to do in that situation. They want as many opportunities as possible.
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We got the ball with about :27 left in the game. If what you say is correct then we should've been able to get a shot with :15 - :20 left. It shouldn't have taken over :15 to take the shot if the purpose was to extend the game and give ourselves as many chances. That just means you are also giving the opponent more chances.

The fact we ran it down to under :12 should mean we could've gotten it down to :05 - :06 so we still have time for a put back if needed, yet MSU wouldn't really have enough time to put up anything more than a hail mary.

I hate to second guess since it can't change the outcome now, but with the Final Four on the line and we're down by one - I'd prefer the last shot to win. Not a shot with :11 - :12 left which would give MSU plenty of time to respond.
 
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OrangeUTopia said:
We got the ball with about :27 left in the game. If what you say is correct then we should've been able to get a shot with :15 - :20 left. It shouldn't have taken over :15 to take the shot if the purpose was to extend the game and give ourselves as many chances. That just means you are also giving the opponent more chances.

The fact we ran it down to under :12 should mean we could've gotten it down to :05 - :06 so we still have time for a put back if needed, yet MSU wouldn't really have enough time to put up anything more than a hail mary.

I hate to second guess since it can't change the outcome now, but with the Final Four on the line and we're down by one - I'd prefer the last shot to win. Not a shot with :11 - :12 left which would give MSU plenty of time to respond.
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You are absolutely correct. With 12 seconds left MSU had plenty of time to get off a good shot, which is exactly what happened. You never want to give the other team a chance for a last shot to win the game.
 
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but we might have been better off if the foul had gone uncalled. It looked like the rebound was ours. A putback to put us up with 8-9 seconds left would have been nice.
 
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I think he should have worked for a better shot, there was a time. Wasn't a high percentage shot. I thought Prince or Chism had the hotter hand, and should have got the shot.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
I agree with everything you said, except his last shot was a missed a FT. And a killer one at that.

Not saying we win if it goes in, but that is a must make. Especially for the above reason of calling a time out and setting up your defense.
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Izzo's TO after Hopson's first free throw iced Scotty. Damn it! Who says football is the only game of inches? If Scotty makes that freethrow or if Williams gets the rebound instead of Lucious ... by inches ... we win. The most disappointing loss in my long history of following UT sports (since 1965).
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
No one in their right mind would take a shot with 12 seconds left that would give you a 1 point lead, assuming you hit the shot, and give the other team 12 seconds to get a good shot to beat you. It was not a good decision by Hopson and I'm sure that was not what Pearl was looking for in that instance. If you had 25 seconds on the clock, your argument would be sound, not with 12 seconds left.
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Yes, they do. They do it all the time. Michigan State did it against Maryland as did Maryland on the next possession, Ohio State did it against us, all teams do it.

Let me put it clearly for those who don't understand basketball:

You do not hold the ball for the last shot when you are losing by one point. .

Go listen to the interview with Jason Shay. Listen to any coach. You take the first good look, try to score and play defense with the lead. The worst case scenario is that you miss the shot and have to foul, they hit two free throws and you get a second opportunity to extend/win the game.

Every coach in the world will tell you two is better than one, or that they would much prefer to play defense with the lead than hope to hit a last second shot to win in that scenario.

So, which "idiots" use this philosophy? Every idiot. Even church league idiots.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
ding ding ding i agree 100% with this post. the OP wonders where everyone got their bball knowledge, but i wonder where he got his. it seems pretty obvious that he got his experience from church league.

The second point i couldn't have said it better myself.
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Talk to a coach, any coach. Then get back to me.
 
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Unimane said:
You do not hold the ball for the last shot when you are losing by one point. .
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I don't think anyone is arguing that Tennessee should have shot with literally 1 second left.

If we shoot with 6-8 seconds left, we still have the chance at offensive rebound and put back, or if they get the rebound there would be time to foul.

What is the advantage for Tennessee to shoot with 12 seconds left?
 
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Mid range shots have the lowest points per possession of any shot. In today's game a mid range shot is not a good shot for most players. If I am not mistaken Hopson was a step or two inside the three point line, that's never a good shot.

I guess it's good Scotty stepped up to take it, but I would have liked to see him step up the other 39:48. The last place he wanted to be was on the FT line.

Really though the only thing that really bothers me is I trust Wayne or JP more in that situation and I would have liked to see it in the hands of one of them.
 
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