One of the Greatest Performances Ever by a Vol?

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BernardKingGOAT said:
Yeah, but we were talking SEC exclusively
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Yes. Probably Lew Alcindor is the GOAT if all of college basketball. They changed the dunking rule because he was so dominant. Wilt and Russell are close. Magic would have a good shot as #2, although he left MSU after only playing 2 years.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Yes. Probably Lew Alcindor is the GOAT if all of college basketball. The changed the dunking rule because he was so dominant. Wilt and Russell are close. Magic would have a good shot as #2, although he left MSU after only playing 2 years.
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I hit "like" immediately upon reading the Alcindor comment. Funny, while he was hurt often as a pro, Bill Walton could easily be considered no. 2 in college. Maybe 1A. That one final against Memphis State he missed just 1 shot, I think. Was 44 the total? Too lazy to look up before making the claim🤭
 
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walkenvol said:
Without doing a bunch of research to support this position, IIRC Barkley & Shaq were not the same level of outstanding college players that they ended up being in the pros. I recall Shaq not being the best center on their team at LSU as Stanley Roberts (I think that’s his name) was there with Shaq and Roberts seemed like the more polished player when they arrived. Barkley’s Auburn team was loaded with talent such that Barkley didn’t stand out as much, plus he was 40-50 lbs overweight back then. Now Chris Jackson was amazing in my memory
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I researched a bit, and you may have a point on Barkley in that he was better in the pros. I think any SEC coach in any era would want a career 14.1ppg/9.6rpg power forward, though.

Stanley Roberts did indeed play with Shaq for one season at LSU, and Shaq played three seasons altogether. Roberts averaged 14.1ppg/9.8rpg in his lone NCAA season against Shaq's 13.9ppg/12.0rpg; this particular LSU team had Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, who was carrying the scoring load at 27.8ppg. Otherwise, Shaq was far and away the best player in the SEC. His sophomore season was absurd with 27.6ppg/14.7rpg/5.0bpg. His SEC career averages were 21.6ppg/13.5rpg/4.6bpg, which is why you typically find him, Maravich, and King at the top of the all-time SEC lists.
 
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walkenvol said:
Without doing a bunch of research to support this position, IIRC Barkley & Shaq were not the same level of outstanding college players that they ended up being in the pros. I recall Shaq not being the best center on their team at LSU as Stanley Roberts (I think that’s his name) was there with Shaq and Roberts seemed like the more polished player when they arrived. Barkley’s Auburn team was loaded with talent such that Barkley didn’t stand out as much, plus he was 40-50 lbs overweight back then. Now Chris Jackson was amazing in my memory
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Barkley was way overweight, but he was a freak of nature. I remember one play against Kentucky where Melvin Turpin (6-7" taller) posted up Barkley, and Chuck blocked the shot, grabbed the loose ball and went end to end for a dunk. Never saw anything like it.

Remember that CBB was still very regional in the early '80's, and when the '84 draft was coming I was talking to my brother in NJ (we are Sixers fans, and they picked 5th), and telling him "if Jordan doesn't make it to #5, the guy we want is Charles Barkley". He said "who??". I said "just trust me".
 
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walkenvol said:
What’s amazing to me is he wasn’t this good last season in the big sky conference. His continued development is incredible and I’d bet he’s way outperformed Barnes’ expectations when recruiting him.
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He led the conf in scoring, so I'd say he was pretty good. And you know he got double and triple teams all year. No team can do that here or they'd get killed. Well, they may get killed anyway. 😃
 
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sami said:
Barkley was way overweight, but he was a freak of nature. I remember one play against Kentucky where Melvin Turpin (6-7" taller) posted up Barkley, and Chuck blocked the shot, grabbed the loose ball and went end to end for a dunk. Never saw anything like it.

Remember that CBB was still very regional in the early '80's, and when the '84 draft was coming I was talking to my brother in NJ (we are Sixers fans, and they picked 5th), and telling him "if Jordan doesn't make it to #5, the guy we want is Charles Barkley". He said "who??". I said "just trust me".
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He was unbelievable on a typically bad AU team.
 
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sami said:
Barkley was way overweight, but he was a freak of nature. I remember one play against Kentucky where Melvin Turpin (6-7" taller) posted up Barkley, and Chuck blocked the shot, grabbed the loose ball and went end to end for a dunk. Never saw anything like it.

Remember that CBB was still very regional in the early '80's, and when the '84 draft was coming I was talking to my brother in NJ (we are Sixers fans, and they picked 5th), and telling him "if Jordan doesn't make it to #5, the guy we want is Charles Barkley". He said "who??". I said "just trust me".
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Barkley had point guard skills and incredible athleticism in that strange body. He was one of the best and most unique players I ever saw in college.
 
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LibertyVol said:
meant to say King is arguably the best ever to play in the SEC.
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Now that would be debatable... but Bernard would be smack dab in the middle of that debate. That would be a great Q ... who is all time greatest in SEC? Collegiate not factoring future pro career. King, Barkley, Anthony Davis, Maravich, Bowie, Oneal, Nique, Chris Jax, ... ?
 
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All Vol! said:
Some of you stat gurus will know, but I can’t imagine what Knecht did against FL wasn’t one of the greatest performances ever in a Vol uniform.

- 39 total points
- 13 of 23 from the field, starting 9 of 10
- 66% from Three on 6 attempts
- 100% from the charity stripe on 9 attempts
- 22 first half points
- 14 pts in a 4 minute stretch
- Scored the Vols’ last 20 pts of the 1st half
- Set the Vols’ all time record for most points scored in 3 consecutive games (103)

This is legendary stuff no? 🍊🏀❤️
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That was a Houston or King type performance against Florida last night.
 
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livefaith said:
Now that would be debatable... but Bernard would be smack dab in the middle of that debate. That would be a great Q ... who is all time greatest in SEC? Collegiate not factoring future pro career. King, Barkley, Anthony Davis, Maravich, Bowie, Oneal, Nique, Chris Jax, ... ?
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King and Maravich belong at the top of that list.
 
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livefaith said:
Here you go. Tell her she's forgiven even though you lied about it all this time. 😃

2006 UT v UTjr Basketball - Full Game
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Hahaha. I refused to watch it. It's one of our greatest stories. She literally only recorded the last like 30 seconds when we had it won. To this day, we laugh at how our early marriage almost didn't make it.
 
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Dr H Lecter said:
Maravich was the best that I saw in person. And I would put King right behind him. For third I’d have to go with Dominique, Barkley, or Shaq.
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I'd put King ahead of Maravich from what I saw on TV and later video. Bernard played much better as part of a team than Pete did.
Ellis was better than Wilkins, especially when I saw them play each other in Stokely.
Shaq and Barkley were good in college but not on Ellis' or Wilkins' level.
 
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Lots of great memories in this thread discussing SEC basketball greats. During Pearl’s first season Lofton had a terrific game against KY at Rupp scoring 31 leading UT to a rare win in Lexington. After the game, reporters interviewed Tubby asking him why Kentucky didn’t offer Lofton a scholarship. Someone correct me if this wasn’t Pearls first year or if I am forgetting something. Regardless, that was one of the best especially when you consider who we were playing and where.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
DK is the best we’ve had to this point since BK but he has to keep it up.
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You obviously didn't see Dale Ellis dragging a below average roster to consecutive NCAA's and giving the Sampson Virginia teams all they could handle. Knecht might be a better pure offensive player, but Ellis had to do it all, every night, for those teams - primary (only real) offensive threat while guarding the best player, regardless of position. He was unselfish to a fault at UT, in great contrast to his NBA career as a hired gun. Bernard was the best, but I'd put Ellis in the group right behind him.
 
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