One of the Greatest Performances Ever by a Vol?

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EasternVol said:
I'd put King ahead of Maravich from what I saw on TV and later video. Bernard played much better as part of a team that Pete did.
Ellis was better than Wilkins, especially when I saw them play each other in Stokely.
Shaq and Barkley were good in college but not on Ellis' or Wilkins' level.
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You wouldn’t be partial to the Tennessee players, now would you?
 
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sami said:
You obviously didn't see Dale Ellis dragging a below average roster to consecutive NCAA's and giving the Sampson Virginia teams all they could handle. Knecht might be a better pure offensive player, but Ellis had to do it all, every night, for those teams - primary (only real) offensive threat while guarding the best player, regardless of position. He was unselfish to a fault at UT, in great contrast to his NBA career as a hired gun. Bernard was the best, but I'd put Ellis in the group right behind him.
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Dale Ellis and Tony White were Don Devoe's best recruits at Tennessee.
 
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Dr H Lecter said:
Maravich was the best that I saw in person. And I would put King right behind him. For third I’d have to go with Dominique, Barkley, or Shaq.
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Maravich and King were two totally different types of player. Maravich was just a freak with his ball-handling and shooting skills. He was a volume shooter and easily shot more shots than all his teammates combined.

Athletically, King was a freak at 6’7” unlike anybody I’ve ever seen. He was an artist on the court and could do things in a game against bigger players that I haven’t seen since. Had he shot the volume of shots Maravich shot, I would think they’re scoring averages would have been very similar. King was also an incredible rebounder with his leaping ability and quickness.

I guess who’s best in any one individual’s eyes depends on that person’s personal criteria for greatness. The WAY King played the game mesmerized me, more so than the way Maravich played. I will say when I see Knecht totally go off, it makes me think back to the time when Bernard ruled the SEC. Man, watching Knecht makes me feel so dang happy.
 
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King played great defense as well as offense. Pistol Pete wasn’t close to Bernard’s level as a defender.

Pistol Pete was doing a lot of things not seen at that time. Floppy socks. Long hair compared to a mop. Dribbling and passing behind his back. Dribbling through his legs. He was very entertaining on some very average LSU teams.
 
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Fulkerson's 27 in Lexington to lead an upset of then #6 Kentucky is one of my favorite single game performances. He was 10 of 15 from the field and made 7 of 7 from the line. Not putting him in the same category as some of the other players but it was a great comeback against a highly ranked rival on their home floor.
 
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cardvolfan said:
Maravich and King were two totally different types of player. Maravich was just a freak with his ball-handling and shooting skills. He was a volume shooter and easily shot more shots than all his teammates combined.

Athletically, King was a freak at 6’7” unlike anybody I’ve ever seen. He was an artist on the court and could do things in a game against bigger players that I haven’t seen since. Had he shot the volume of shots Maravich shot, I would think they’re scoring averages would have been very similar. King was also an incredible rebounder with his leaping ability and quickness.

I guess who’s best in any one individual’s eyes depends on that person’s personal criteria for greatness. The WAY King played the game mesmerized me, more so than the way Maravich played. I will say when I see Knecht totally go off, it makes me think back to the time when Bernard ruled the SEC. Man, watching Knecht makes me feel so dang happy.
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I'm not sure Bernard was really more than 6'5". The key to his game was the lightning quick release. Generally, shorter post players need to adjust their game in the NBA, but King (especially in his pre-injury time with the Knicks) routinely posted up much taller players. His release was so quick it was impossible to defend.

If you ever have an hour to kill, check out some of the YouTube vids of Bernard's 1984 season with the Knicks. I've watched a ton of basketball, both college and pro, and I'm not sure I've ever seen a player have a greater, more dominant season than he did in '84, carrying a lottery-level Knicks team to game 7 of the second round. The media was determined to give Bird the MVP, and flat out robbed King that year.
 
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sami said:
I'm not sure Bernard was really more than 6'5". The key to his game was the lightning quick release. Generally, shorter post players need to adjust their game in the NBA, but King (especially in his pre-injury time with the Knicks) routinely posted up much taller players. His release was so quick it was impossible to defend.

If you ever have an hour to kill, check out some of the YouTube vids of Bernard's 1984 season with the Knicks. I've watched a ton of basketball, both college and pro, and I'm not sure I've ever seen a player have a greater, more dominant season than he did in '84, carrying a lottery-level Knicks team to game 7 of the second round. The media was determined to give Bird the MVP, and flat out robbed King that year.
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Bernard was probably about 6’9”. If his afro was included.
 
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sami said:
I'm not sure Bernard was really more than 6'5". The key to his game was the lightning quick release. Generally, shorter post players need to adjust their game in the NBA, but King (especially in his pre-injury time with the Knicks) routinely posted up much taller players. His release was so quick it was impossible to defend.

If you ever have an hour to kill, check out some of the YouTube vids of Bernard's 1984 season with the Knicks. I've watched a ton of basketball, both college and pro, and I'm not sure I've ever seen a player have a greater, more dominant season than he did in '84, carrying a lottery-level Knicks team to game 7 of the second round. The media was determined to give Bird the MVP, and flat out robbed King that year.
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The 83-84 season or 84-85. Both were spectacular. Had great seasons in Golden State the two years before he went to the Knicks
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
The 83-84 season or 84-85. Both were spectacular. Had great seasons in Golden State the two years before he went to the Knicks
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He was all-world both years, but '83-'84 was the season I was referring to. He was averaging 32 a game in '84-'85 but wrecked his knee a little more than half way through the season, just a brutal injury. I watched a ton of Knicks games those years, he was like must-see TV.
 
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sami said:
I'm not sure Bernard was really more than 6'5". The key to his game was the lightning quick release. Generally, shorter post players need to adjust their game in the NBA, but King (especially in his pre-injury time with the Knicks) routinely posted up much taller players. His release was so quick it was impossible to defend.

If you ever have an hour to kill, check out some of the YouTube vids of Bernard's 1984 season with the Knicks. I've watched a ton of basketball, both college and pro, and I'm not sure I've ever seen a player have a greater, more dominant season than he did in '84, carrying a lottery-level Knicks team to game 7 of the second round. The media was determined to give Bird the MVP, and flat out robbed King that year.
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That release was special, for sure. I always fancied myself having a release like his, but in reality, I’m sure I wasn’t close.

I‘ll have to check that ‘84 stuff again. I’ve watched some of it, but it’s been a minute.
 
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macrovol said:
Ron Widby set the UT record of 50 points against LSU, which stood until Tony White put up 51. Neither had a 3 point line.
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A 3 sport player who went on to win a super bowl, not to mention helping knock off a 26-0 Kentucky team ranked #1.

I will rank Dalton after seeing his results against UK. King devastated UK.
 
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All Vol! said:
Some of you stat gurus will know, but I can’t imagine what Knecht did against FL wasn’t one of the greatest performances ever in a Vol uniform.

- 39 total points
- 13 of 23 from the field, starting 9 of 10
- 66% from Three on 6 attempts
- 100% from the charity stripe on 9 attempts
- 22 first half points
- 14 pts in a 4 minute stretch
- Scored the Vols’ last 20 pts of the 1st half
- Set the Vols’ all time record for most points scored in 3 consecutive games (103)

This is legendary stuff no? 🍊🏀❤️
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I'd say the 3 game stretch is up there 34 points a game and he might be able to keep it going a few more games
 
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Vtonerider said:
I would like to add that I had to ask him to leave due to violating the "no dunking" policy in place at the time.
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I know it's been almost 40 years, but the only dunk I remember by Tony White was against Florida and the M&M Boys. Moten and Maxwell. I'm sure he had many more, but that was a revenge game at Stokely after they beat us in Gainesville. Plus, they talked a lot of sh!t and The Wizard owed 'em one
 
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