One of the things that really gets me....

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imavolsfanforlife said:
I am referring to anybody that is whining on here about Kiffin, rettig, or anything else for that matter. But no, I just hit reply with a quote to the entry at the bottom of my browser when I was reading someone's negative post and started typing.
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That's good, because I don't come on here to whine.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
We did well the last year Ainge was here on both sides of the ball, for the most part.
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Yeah, 534 pass attempts and 459 rush attempts. Foster had 1200 yards, but just from my memory, I think we still relied on the pass too much then. I don't remember ever establishing a great run game against quality opponents.
 
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#128
VolDC said:
BuckeyeVols
Sabanocchio
g8terh8ter eric
TnVolFan14
Honolulu Vol
governmentmule


Quit Whining! Let the coaches coach!
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whats it pay ? Oh wait isn't that where our QB coach was at ?Lighten up I was just having some fun
it won't be the end of the world if JS doesn't commit,I'm in the wait and see mode recuriting and game time
might be next year for a QB,But I do agree with Sabo that getting JS on board would help pull more offensive players in, and Eric is right in having a backup plan,which is up in the air right now

nothing like UT football this time of year :)

Go Vols
 
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governmentmule said:
whats it pay ? Oh wait isn't that where our QB coach was at ?Lighten up I was just having some fun
it won't be the end of the world if JS doesn't commit,I'm in the wait and see mode recuriting and game time
might be next year for a QB,But I do agree with Sabo that getting JS on board would help pull more offensive players in, and Eric is right in having a backup plan,which is up in the air right now

nothing like UT football this time of year :)

Go Vols
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Cam Newton and Tommy Rees? I would take it in a heartbeat.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
with the new staff is somehow they seem to think that they can slow play prospects and get on them later. It's really amazing how things have worked out on the QB front because of this. I have said it once before, that if you are going to take 2 QB's or any other position for that matter, if one of the guys you consider a #2 is ready to commit, then you take him and let the other #2's know that they need to wait and see. This way, if want to slow play the #1 guys and wait at least you have a backup plan already in place and you don't have to try and scramble and make it look like you are in trouble. I realize this is a weak class of QB's, but with a glaring need and no one committed it makes you wonder. They should have also offered most of these guys at camp so when the prospects left they would be on cloud nine and would be VERY happy they came. Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I think it shows some of the rust these guys have in recruiting QB's. Kiffin and Chaney have recruited QB's before, but they also had teams that were considered offensive juggernauts during the time they were there. I think we will get a QB, but honestly I have NO CLUE who it will be. If Scroggins somehow miraculously commits, I will be at an all day buffet of crow. Have a good evening VN. :hi:
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I disagree with your approach, especially with this class of QBs.

IMO, they should not take more than one QB this summer. With the weakness of the class, they should not try for second kid until fall and focus on him as the # 1 kid. There will be QBs emerge in fall. Chase those kids and don't make it hard by having 2 QBs already committed.

I know they need a QB right now to help with recruiting. Kids want to know that. At this point, Scroggins and Brunetti are the only two available that have the WOW factor (decent ranking) to lure other recruits. Of course, that may all change Monday. Rivals will release shuffled rankings and the QB rankings will really change. Won't be last change either
 
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#132
Lex, you're making way too much sense for this forum.

Eric, there is nothing at all to indicate that Rozier won't be on this team. In fact, Chaney has said that he is impressed with him. I don't think he will ever do anything here, but there's no reason to suggest that he is thinking of leaving. Larry simply said that there is no guarantee and you have run with it.
 
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#133
g8terh8ter_eric said:
People keep referencing what's in bold, but the problem with it is they flipped a couple of players, not a whole class. It's not something they are going to make a living doing and it was something last year that just happened. If they have to go into December and January with the intent of flipping players, we WILL not be successful here.
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Thank you.

Getting those players to change their minds was amazing but no program can make a living that way. For the most part, recruits stick to their commitments.
 
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I keep hearing about all these guys who are supposed to emerge in the fall. Who are those players in past classes? There weren't any last year. I can't remember anyone who came on his senior year after doing nothing to earn a scholarship previously.

I'm sure there are some guys that I'm forgetting, but the fact is, you can't form your QB recruiting plan assuming that there is going to be a guy to emerge in the fall that is not only going to fit what you want to do with your scheme, but be a guy that is willing to come here.

I am in complete agreement with Eric that you have to form your QB recruiting plan assuming that the best guys are going to be off the board by this point and get who you can that fits this scheme and wants to be a Vol. Especially in a year where there isn't any depth in the QB class.
 
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#135
LWSVOL said:
I disagree with your approach, especially with this class of QBs.

IMO, they should not take more than one QB this summer. With the weakness of the class, they should not try for second kid until fall and focus on him as the # 1 kid. There will be QBs emerge in fall. Chase those kids and don't make it hard by having 2 QBs already committed.

I know they need a QB right now to help with recruiting. Kids want to know that. At this point, Scroggins and Brunetti are the only two available that have the WOW factor (decent ranking) to lure other recruits. Of course, that may all change Monday. Rivals will release shuffled rankings and the QB rankings will really change. Won't be last change either
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I agree with your post, but if they want to wait then they should at least have their #2 guy secured to give them some type of leverage with recruits. I still believe that Brunetti isn't done yet and we could still pull him if they go hard after him. I want a #1 guy before the #2 guy, but at this point if they are wanting to evaluate the #1's further or wait then they should at least have their backup plan secured.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Lex, you're making way too much sense for this forum.

Eric, there is nothing at all to indicate that Rozier won't be on this team. In fact, Chaney has said that he is impressed with him. I don't think he will ever do anything here, but there's no reason to suggest that he is thinking of leaving. Larry simply said that there is no guarantee and you have run with it.
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Larry has also said that he doesn't think that Rozier will stick around in another thread. He said something about him drinking Coronas somewhere. :)
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I agree with your post, but if they want to wait then they should at least have their #2 guy secured to give them some type of leverage with recruits. I still believe that Brunetti isn't done yet and we could still pull him if they go hard after him. I want a #1 guy before the #2 guy, but at this point if they are wanting to evaluate the #1's further or wait then they should at least have their backup plan secured.
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I just see no reason if you feel a guy is good enough to be a second QB in your class that he isn't deserving of an early offer. I understand the constraints if you only plan on taking a single QB, but this staff has said on many occasions that the plan is to get two.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
I just see no reason if you feel a guy is good enough to be a second QB in your class that he isn't deserving of an early offer. I understand the constraints if you only plan on taking a single QB, but this staff has said on many occasions that the plan is to get two.
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Exactly. It easier to tell other's to wait, especially if they aren't higher priority guys, than to have those lower priority guys spurn you because you didn't pay attention to them. I believe that's what happened with Rettig. It wasn't until the day he was going to commit to BC that we offered and we offered another QB before him, even after he was VERY vocal about UT being his leader.
 
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VOL61 said:
I have been back and forth on this. I thought Scroggins was a vol then something would make me feel like he was USC lock. I honestly have no clue now. But I still feel like something is up.

1. Scroggins got the offer from USC at Rising Stars Camp and didn't commit.
2. July 25th annoucement date would be vintage Kiffin. Close to SEC media days.
3. Staff didn't seem to go after Rettig hard at all. They did offer but I still don't feel like we recruited the kid hard. Almost like he was a #2 in the same class.
4. Scroggins mentioned "depth chart" time after time as a factor
5. UT still in it with Bailey who is scheduled to vist in early August
6. USC talk right after the Rising Stars camp about Rettig and Bray
7. I don't see the need in putting off the anouncement if he is USC bound. PC and Kiffin go back. I don't think if he knew he was coming to USC PC would leave Tennessee in holding pattern seeing how important a QB is for us in this class. No need for the pub. You are USC. .
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I agree with all of your points except for this one. I don't think that Pete Carrol would let his friendship with Kiffin affect the way he would act towards any other coach in college. He wouldn't call Urban Meyer or Nick Saban up and tell them would he? Friends or no friends, they are still rivals and competitors. Why would you do anything help out the enemy?
 
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#143
We are spoiled by 5 star qb's of the past. Was Brett Favre a 5 star at Southern Miss.? I will bet they have several under the radar guys . Remember these kids have not played their senior seasons. More qb's will emerge.
 
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#145
I don't think this necessarily indicates the preference to a long term strategy of "flipping". If they coach Stephens or Crompton up, kids will get in line to play here. I'm just not ready to sound the alarm just yet.
 
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#146
rekinhavoc said:
We are spoiled by 5 star qb's of the past. Was Brett Favre a 5 star at Southern Miss.? I will bet they have several under the radar guys . Remember these kids have not played their senior seasons. More qb's will emerge.
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I tend to agree with this. There's still a LOT of prep school football to be played. You never know what qb's will emerge their senior season. Plus like you said, if our coaches are worth their salt they should be able to coach these boys up.
 
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#147
g8terh8ter_eric said:
People keep referencing what's in bold, but the problem with it is they flipped a couple of players, not a whole class. It's not something they are going to make a living doing and it was something last year that just happened. If they have to go into December and January with the intent of flipping players, we WILL not be successful here.
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I see your point and I agree with you on it, to an extent. My point wasn't so much that they made a successful late push, but the circumstances under which they made that push. New staff, horrible prior season, absolutely no relationship to speak of with these guys (as far as I know, anyway), etc... Maybe the first two seasons, that IS how they begin the rebuilding process. It's been a long time since we were a fiercely competitive program and it can't be an easy task to win recruits to help us rebuild with the Florida's, Georgia's, Alabama's, etc... calling.

I am not suggesting that the staff has everything under control and we have nothing to worry about. What I am suggesting is that we just don't know. It appears that all the eggs went from the Heaps basket to the Scroggins basket, and now we're looking for another basket. But these guys know how much pressure there is to win and what a brutal environment the SEC can be if the fans don't get what they want. They're not rookies.

When I read all of the doom and gloom "Kiffin made a terrible mistake letting Boyd go; now Scroggins and Rettig are gone and we're screwed!" stuff, I just think, "really?" Reminds me of the responses many had to Coleman leaving, only amplified. The staff's been here, what, nine months? We've played the O&W game! Is it not fair to say the jury's still out on staff performance? Is it also fair to think that a lot of these kids might not want to buy in until they've seen some results on the field? We're not even half way through the first recruiting year and under the bus they go...

So, back to your original point, Eric, if we have an abysmal '09 season, the January/February recruit thievery probably isn't going to go over as well as it did this year. That said, all of the (and I'm not saying that you've said this, just making a general point) "if we'd only offered Rettig immediately after camp" sentiment is just foolishness. How the #!$@ does anyone know that he'd have committed?

It just makes more sense to me to let it play out this first year. . . then again, I guess if that happened, what would everyone in the recruiting forum discuss.

Up to $.04 now. . .
 
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#148
Lexvol said:
Is it really "slow playing" if they are not all that excited about them? People aren't waiting in lines at Best Buy for Playstation 2s anymore because they are a dime a dozen.

LWS has hit the nail on the head with his assessment throughout this process. I don't think our coaches think they have anything to really lose by waiting. They aren't blown away by anything they've seen yet.

They have track record of recognizing and offering exceptional talent based on camps. In other words, if you are good enough, it seems that they offer you on the spot.
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I like this post better than mine. . . I'm claiming this one as my own. Lex, you can have the longer one up there ^
 
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Lexvol said:
I don't think this necessarily indicates the preference to a long term strategy of "flipping". If they coach Stephens or Crompton up, kids will get in line to play here. I'm just not ready to sound the alarm just yet.
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This staff can't afford to wait 3 years to get a QB developed to the point where he is good enough to lead this team to wins. That's the reason for the sense of urgency in this class. Plus there is always the chance that Nick Stephens is no better than he showed last year.

No one expects to do anything this year, but next year we will be in an even worse position -- forced to rely on very young talent in key areas, offensive line most notably. If we don't get a QB that is capable of learning this offense in a year and contributing at a high level, Lane Kiffin is going to be on the hotseat in year 3 of his tenure here. This is the SEC. If Fulmer can get fired for 2 losing seasons in 16 years, then Lane Kiffin has nothing guaranteed to him.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I agree with your post, but if they want to wait then they should at least have their #2 guy secured to give them some type of leverage with recruits. I still believe that Brunetti isn't done yet and we could still pull him if they go hard after him. I want a #1 guy before the #2 guy, but at this point if they are wanting to evaluate the #1's further or wait then they should at least have their backup plan secured.
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the problem is, the # 1 and # 2 kids are very cloudy at this point. By October, their 1 and 2 could be someone completely different from their current thinking..

You get their 1 / 2 now and in November they are like 6 and 7, CLK will be unhappy. :) not to say anything about Big Ed.
 
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