Oregon could become 1st US state to decriminalize hard drugs

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utvolpj said:
Modern day policing is mainly about revenue collection at this point (for cities, prisons, etc). That's also a current goal of the WoD

If you look into what others have done is a very targeted approach. Actually providing the drugs and treatment led to less use and crime. Shooting down every idea in order to maintain the broken status quo is nonsense.
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Im not shooting down ideas to maintain the status quo, I am telling you that what you were proposing would absolutely fail as well for the reasons i laid out.

I think a hybrid model developed for the problems of each specific state would be more appropos
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Im not shooting down ideas to maintain the status quo, I am telling you that what you were proposing would absolutely fail as well for the reasons i laid out.

I think a hybrid model developed for the problems of each specific state would be more appropos
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Except you have zero clue of it would or not. It was implemented and successful. That's more proof than someone whose only interaction is arresting users
 
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utvolpj said:
Because for a free society there are way too many laws. That's done to fill the prisons that lobby your reps. It flows down to the court systems as well

It's too bad Trump killed the small govt conservatives
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Nobody goes to prison for one offense of simple possession.
 
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utvolpj said:
Except you have zero clue of it would or not. It was implemented and successful. That's more proof than someone whose only interaction is arresting users
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i just told you i have a wide variety of experience with drug addicts, not just from the police work.

I have helped develop that innovative program that keeps them and the medical staff safe while inside the hospital and have reduced the number of drugs on our campus as well as negative patient outcomes by a huge margin.

So my question would be if you were in charge, please lay out how you would enact these programs, how you would pay for them, how you would be able to reduce or remove all the FDA/governmental/liability insurance/legal tort AND how step by step you would make each drug addict go to treatment, especially in areas like Harlem, Compton, or Portland?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
no they don't...not in the last 20 years, show any person who has went to prison JUST for simple possession of marijuana
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You're parsing words but using simple. Just go with any possession and tell me again the number is zero

But again, that had absolutely nothing to do with my post
 
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utvolpj said:
You're parsing words but using simple. Just go with any possession and tell me again the number is zero
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well yea possession of a drug dealing amount like 20 lbs of marijuana would probably do the trick, but that is not what we were talking about.

and the correct answer is THAT NO ONE goes to prison for simply having a personal use stash of weed without any other factors involved
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
well yea possession of a drug dealing amount like 20 lbs of marijuana would probably do the trick, but that is not what we were talking about.

and the correct answer is THAT NO ONE goes to prison for simply having a personal use stash of weed without any other factors involved
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Good grief that wasn't even the point of my post. He deflected away from his dumb post that said people in jail are all criminals who should be separated from society. My response said there were too many laws and he couldn't respond to that so he referenced possession

The correct answer is people go to prison every day based on some arbitrary number that bunch of paid off bureaucrats come up with.
 
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utvolpj said:
Good grief that wasn't even the point of my post. He deflected away from his dumb post that said people in jail are all criminals who should be separated from society. My response said there were too many laws and he couldn't respond to that so he referenced possession

The correct answer is people go to prison every day based on some arbitrary number that bunch of paid off bureaucrats come up with.
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And your dumb post didn’t specify which laws you don’t agree with but I’m sure it’s many. I have no problem with worthless people being removed from society. That can be a meth dealer, pedophile, armed robber, murderer, etc.
 
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C-south said:
And your dumb post didn’t specify which laws you don’t agree with but I’m sure it’s many. I have no problem with worthless people being removed from society. That can be a meth dealer, pedophile, armed robber, murderer, etc.
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Your post simply said criminals which implied everyone in prison should be there. Maybe learn to communicate better

Yes, there are volumes of worthless laws that are meant to do nothing but punish. They should absolutely be removed
 
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utvolpj said:
Your post simply said criminals which implied everyone in prison should be there. Maybe learn to communicate better

Yes, there are volumes of worthless laws that are meant to do nothing but punish. They should absolutely be removed
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except for those very few who are actually innocent of charges, who in prison shouldnt' be there?
 
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You just said the only ones in there for drugs were drug dealers, but they also have committed other crimes and most have sold drugs to kids, not paid taxes, etc.

So which laws do you want to enforce and which ones do you not? Should someone go to jail for not paying taxes?
 
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C-south said:
Why do you have a problem with criminals being removed from society?
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Because petty possession charges and zero tolerance laws are a recipe for the absolute sht show our criminal justice system and for profit prisons have created.

Are you going to conflate drug possession/sales with crimes like rape or murder? Lock those people up, because of the moronic laws in this country there are small time drug related convicts who are doing way more time than actual violent criminals.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The problem isn't the people being in prison, it's the constant letting the same criminals out of prison to commit more crimes for decades. Again the people actually in prison aren't just there for a simple possesion of a joint...no one is (outside of some 1960 case)
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Jesus, do you even do cursory google search to make sure than you aren't completely wrong?

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https://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking3/Outrageous.html

This 'Three Strikes' Law Sends People to Die in Federal Prison For Drug Crimes
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You just said the only ones in there for drugs were drug dealers, but they also have committed other crimes and most have sold drugs to kids, not paid taxes, etc.

So which laws do you want to enforce and which ones do you not? Should someone go to jail for not paying taxes?
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Selling alcohol or cigarettes to underage doesn't land a person in prison. Your menacing use of drug dealer has little effect. Much of what they do wouldn't be a crime if the substance was legal. But that would cut revenue so we know that isn't going to change.

The tax laws need to be revised before I care very much about what someone else pays.
 
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Septic said:
Because petty possession charges and zero tolerance laws are a recipe for the absolute sht show our criminal justice system and for profit prisons have created.

Are you going to conflate drug possession/sales with crimes like rape or murder? Lock those people up, because of the moronic laws in this country there are small time drug related convicts who are doing way more time than actual violent criminals.
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You fail to realize theres a direct correlation between violent crimes and drugs. Some of the lesser offenders might get swept up in the mix, hopefully it’s a lesson learned.
 
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C-south said:
You fail to realize theres a direct correlation between violent crimes and drugs. Some of the lesser offenders might get swept up in the mix, hopefully it’s a lesson learned.
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Same correlation existed during prohibition. Why does it not still exist today?
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Marijuana isn't a hard drug. Even less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. The fact is, marijuana should be legal
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I never said it was a hard drug, i said it is a gateway drug for those with addiction in their genes/family history.

I also said that it's a fantasy myth that prison is full of people who were just arrested for simple possession of marijuana
 
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C-south said:
You fail to realize theres a direct correlation between violent crimes and drugs. Some of the lesser offenders might get swept up in the mix, hopefully it’s a lesson learned.
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Have you ever asked yourself why and what the root cause is?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I never said it was a hard drug, i said it is a gateway drug for those with addiction in their genes/family history.
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Actually everyone on here pretty much agreed that cigs and alcohol were the real gateway drugs.
 
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