Oregon?

#51
#51
I_Hate_the_BCS said:
Oregon is a good school, with obviously great connections with NIKE and the state of Oregon is beautiful.

Many people see this UT program through Orange colored glasses, but right now Oregon is a better program than Tennessee. I mean you take USC out of the PAC 10 and Oregon has numerous Pac 10 championships in the last 10 years. + had that QB not got hurt a few years ago they would have been in the NC game.

We play Oregon in a few years and I HIGHLY recommend anyone who can, go to that game in Oregon. You will leave impressed
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That is as idiotic a point as I have heard in quite a while...

"Make Oregon's already weak conference weaker, and they may have won it occasionally. That would prove them to be a better program than UT, who has not won the toughest conference in college football in quite some time."

???

:crazy:
 
#52
#52
droski said:
oregon has an unbelievable amount of big recruits that fail to qualify every year which tells me they offer a lot of guys other people don't think will qualify and therefore don't go hard after. they do pull the occasional 5 star guy like stewart, but their classes tend to be top heavy and as i said a lot of these guys don't qualify. i'd argue their talent level is consistantly behind usc (obviously), cal, and ucla. no chance they sniff a nc in my lifetime. i'd be shocked if they won more than 8 games this year OR finished in front of cal, sc, stanford, or ucla in recruiting.
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They already have twice. See Dennis Dixon injury and Joey Ball-Games BCS snub.
 
#55
#55
droski said:
oregon has an unbelievable amount of big recruits that fail to qualify every year which tells me they offer a lot of guys other people don't think will qualify and therefore don't go hard after. they do pull the occasional 5 star guy like stewart, but their classes tend to be top heavy and as i said a lot of these guys don't qualify. i'd argue their talent level is consistantly behind usc (obviously), cal, and ucla. no chance they sniff a nc in my lifetime. i'd be shocked if they won more than 8 games this year OR finished in front of cal, sc, stanford, or ucla in recruiting.
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What do you consider an "Unbelievable amount of big recruits that fail to qualify"?

2 per class? 3 per class? more?

I follow recruiting and this statement just seems off to me. If you were talking about WSU then I'd say that statement is accurate, but Oregon? No more non-quals than any other team on average...

As for sniffing a NC in your lifetime, how old are you? They have "sniffed" the NC twice this decade.


You certainly haven't displayed much knowledge of your conference sir. Your posts are pure bias. With a smack of envy thrown on top.
 
#56
#56
The notion of any ut fan being envious of oregon is ridiculous. You've won absolutely nothing. EVER. The only thing you've sniffed is USC's a$$ when you come in 2nd.
 
#57
#57
Bear Bryant said:
They already have twice. See Dennis Dixon injury and Joey Ball-Games BCS snub.
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the pac-10 was piss poor when they made that rose bowl (sc had a LOSING SEASON) with harrington and the coach primarily responsible for that is now in berkeley. as for dennis dixon, as i said before, it was a perfect storm of at least 10 teams in front of them losing. It's all speculation that htey would have run the table. particurally considering the collapse and horrible defensive play after dixon went down. i hardly see how either of these situations are repeatable in the future.
 
#58
#58
Gridironguy said:
What do you consider an "Unbelievable amount of big recruits that fail to qualify"?

2 per class? 3 per class? more?
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yes 2 or 3 4 or 5 star guys don't qualify. take those guys out of those classes and what happens to the ranking? would they even sniff the top-25? i don't think so.

i'll bet any oregon fan here that they wont win over 8 games this season.
 
#59
#59
droski said:
yes 2 or 3 4 or 5 star guys don't qualify. take those guys out of those classes and what happens to the ranking? would they even sniff the top-25? i don't think so.

i'll bet any oregon fan here that they wont win over 8 games this season.
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The fact is you are wrong.

Here is the reality;

Since 2003 class Oregon has had 5 four or 5 star players not make it in due to grades. That is an average of less than one per year.

Why do you make up lies? Your credibility is shot.
 
#60
#60
Gridironguy said:
Since 2003 class Oregon has had 5 four or 5 star players not make it in due to grades. That is an average of less than one per year.
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Oregon is probably the only team willing to take them because everyone else knows they won't be eligible. They see the facilities and here is their thought process; "Yo meng... dis place b tight 4 realz homie. I gots ta get mi sum boiii!".

That should be Oregon's first clue that they aren't going to be eligible academically. :wink2:
 
#62
#62
So Oregon is in on a tweener QB/WR (Munchie) and Mathis, and all of a sudden they're king recruiters??

Oregon will get a handful of solid players and a bunch of 3-stars, just like always. They're no different than Oklahoma State, West Virginia, or Virginia Tech. They don't recruit as well as USC, Florida, Texas, Bama, Tennessee, Oklahoma, etc etc etc....

I mean, I don't even think Tennessee has those 2 players in their top 25 on their overall board, so it's no big deal.
 
#65
#65
droski said:
whaaaa? take out sc and cal wins the pac-10 easily in 04 and 06 and oregon wins it when exactly? last year? maybe?

as for the dixon year let's not forget approx 15 teams in front of them lost to allow that opportunity. that team couldn't beat a 7-5 cal team at home.

comparing a team with tenn tradition to oregon is ridiculous. lets not also forget that neyland is twice the size of that overrated oregon stadium. if autzen is such a great homefield advantage how come they are barely over 500 at home in the lsat 5 years? let's not also forget that before the late 90s they drew 8k a game.
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I wasn't talking about tradition, I was talking about right freaking now! In the last 5 or 6 years who has had the better program, Tennessee or Oregon. By the way just cause a stadium is big doesn't make it loud. What I said was Oregon is a nice place, top of the line facilities, great contract with NIKE and the campus is beutiful....

Once again, a person can't say anything nice about another place without being bashed. By the way that overrated PAC 10 has smacked the **** out of Tennessee 2 out of the last 3 times they have played. Even last year after a 4 or 5 int performance we still lost....

Like I have posted here before....Right now Tennessee is not consider relelvant to most people outside of the state. All we are known for is our loud mouth coach. Now hopefully that will change this year.
 
#66
#66
Great school, great sports program, ugliest uniforms in all of football - but some players are just attracted to "the dark side" no matter how garish the jersey.





Hippie > Yuppie
 
#67
#67
TNHopeful505 said:
See, this is why we should change from Adidas to Nike, upgrade our jerseys, and be awesome. Oregon don't deserve the facilities they have. Though they are flippin sweet.
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What do you mean they don't deserve their facilities????

Was football invented in Knoxville or something???

They deserve what they have as much as the rest. Give me a break.

The uniforms are their niche. Great. I like them, but I also like some tradition. Look at the top 15 football programs in history.....USC, OSU, Mich, Tex, UF, Bama, Oklahoma, Neb, ND, Penn St, LSU, UT, FSU, Miami, and GA......what do they have in common???? Traditions and they don't compromise by copying what others do. maybe a little here and there, but for the most part they don't change much. Can you see Michigan going to an all maize uniform?

Ga has done the "stupid" blackout crap, FSU has some different options and did the same blackout crap. But the others have stayed the same forever. maybe a throwback thing once in a while. Why mess with tradition??
 
#68
#68
right before phil wrote the first check oregon was one of the worst programs in ncaa history. big money can only take you so far and phil's money will run out eventually or he will die.
 
#69
#69
droski said:
right before phil wrote the first check oregon was one of the worst programs in ncaa history. big money can only take you so far and phil's money will run out eventually or he will die.
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:lolabove:

Did you actually go to CAL? If so you do your fine institution a disservice every time you post.
You really don't know squat. Phill wrote his first check after Oregon's COTTON BOWL GAME.

And Phil is worth over 10 billion dollars. Oregon will be taken care well after his death. Do you know what a charitable remainder trust is?

Here is some homework.
Try googling "phil knight charitable remainder trust" then get back to the board with the results.
 
#70
#70
Do you know your own history at all? brooks won 30% of his games before phil wrote a check. unbelievable.
 
#71
#71
Fail again for you.
Phil contributed his first dollars to the Football program in 1996. This was after their loss to Colorado in the cotton bowl. This was one year removed from Oregons ROSE bowl and AFTER Rich brooks had left to coach for the Rams. You dolt. It's all out there on the internets for any fool to look up. I suggest you do your homework the next time you decide to dance with me on this topic chump.



Looks to me like you didn't want to report the results which would only serve to embarrass you further, here goes.

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Monday, October 20, 2003
Nike's Knight creates charitable trust
Portland Business Journal

Phil Knight, chairman, president and chief executive officer of Nike Inc., has contributed 7 million shares of Nike Class B common stock to a charitable remainder trust, of which he is a trustee.

Knight converted 7 million shares of Nike Class A stock on Oct. 16, 2003, to the same number of shares of Class B stock in anticipation of the creation of this trust.

The trust is expected to sell the shares over the next year under a pre-arranged sales plan following the guidelines of Securities and Exchange Commission Rule 10b5-1, and Beaverton-based Nike's policies regarding insider sales.
 
#73
#73
Gridironguy said:
Fail again for you.
Phil contributed his first dollars to the Football program in 1996. This was after their loss to Colorado in the cotton bowl. This was one year removed from Oregons ROSE bowl and AFTER Rich brooks had left to coach for the Rams. You dolt. It's all out there on the internets for any fool to look up. I suggest you do your homework the next time you decide to dance with me on this topic chump.
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you really are an idiot. nike went public in the 80s.

Phil Knight-University of Oregon Booster Extraordinaire - Track > Nike - : Track Town USA : Eugene Oregon Olympic Trials TrackTown Info

Knight's initial donation to the University of Oregon, in the 1980s, was $25 million.
 
#74
#74
droski said:
you really are an idiot. nike went public in the 80s.

Phil Knight-University of Oregon Booster Extraordinaire - Track > Nike - : Track Town USA : Eugene Oregon Olympic Trials TrackTown Info

Knight's initial donation to the University of Oregon, in the 1980s, was $25 million.
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Are you enjoying getting owned this morning? I find it humorous that you actually took the time to try and rebut me. But in your haste you didn't actually read the link.

We are talking FOOOOOTBALLLLLLL not donations to the law school, the library or anything else.

Here it is in plain english: Phil Knight's first check to the football program came in 1996 one year removed from Oregon's Rose bowl and AFTER Rich Brooks left the program!


Here is one of many articles out there explaining the time frame for Knights involvement with the football program.


The Seattle Times: Huskies: Nike co-founder is spiritual godfather to the Ducks


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The blend of continuity and competence has proven as successful at Oregon as it is elsewhere. Oregon's Mike Bellotti, asked if Knight is a reason he has stayed to become the dean of Pac-10 coaches, says, "Certainly. No question."

Bellotti has told the story many times. The night of Jan. 1, 1996, in Dallas, just after Rick Neuheisel's Colorado team had pasted Oregon in the Cotton Bowl, Bellotti and Knight were at a postgame gathering and the coach was in a hangdog mood.

"What do we need to go to the next level?" Knight asked him. Bellotti told him Oregon needed an indoor workout facility and began an explanation of a long process with considerable fund-raising.

"No, how long would it take?" Knight interrupted, meaning from groundbreaking to finish.

Bellotti, who had just finished his first year as Oregon coach, has had a brighter outlook ever since.

You'd love to ask Knight what he was thinking in the '80s, when Oregon used to hold position meetings at the end of the tunnels to Autzen — drawing X's and O's on the walls like Neanderthals — or in cramped storage rooms with chairs stacked next to mops and buckets.

Finally, in 1994, Oregon went to the Rose Bowl. Coach Rich Brooks left for the NFL, Bellotti succeeded him from an assistant's position, and the Ducks went to a second straight New Year's Day game in his first year.

So ... Phil Knight, front-runner?

"My sense was that when the football program got a little better in the mid '90s, early '90s, like so many of our alumni, he began to get more interested in what was going on," says Dan Williams, retired vice president of the university. "It was around that time he began to be more interested in the university generally, and the athletic program."

Bellotti has a similar take, while Bartko says, "I think that had more to do with the time in his life as much as not being a fan. Nike was really growing [in the 1980s], and I think there wasn't a lot of flexibility, and there was a lot of responsibility."

Perhaps it had to do, too, with Knight's sense of Oregon's vision in the '80s.

"If he doesn't believe something is going in the right direction to be successful, he won't be involved," says Salazar. "He won't waste his time, energy and finances. Somebody can go ask him for $5,000 to do something and he'll say no because he thinks it's a bad idea.

"Somebody could go ask him for 10 times that much, and if he sees a good plan for it, he'll support it right away."
 
#75
#75
where does it say he didn't give a cent before 1996? all you have linked is that he didn't build them a practice facility until then.
 
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