Overemployment of the Lazy

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VolStrom said:
All I can say is that most people working from home won't have a job 5 years from now. If you can do your job at home, some Indian or Chinese person will do it cheaper and put your ass out of work.
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Honestly you just sound butthurt that some people don't have to work as much as you did to make a decent living.

Sorry you missed the boat and spent most of your prime in an office. I'd be pissy too.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
"Billable hours"
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I have no problem with hourly employees filling up their day, salaried employees need to devote their 8/40 otherwise it's theft if they are working for someone else and not putting in their 40. That said, I understand why it's happening and if the employer is good with it I don't have a dog in the hunt.
 
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hog88 said:
As in?
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That list, much like my Johnson, is long and distinguished.

I don't agree with the assumption that just bc one could outsource offsite work to china or India at a lower cost means they will. The skill isn't necessarily there for many jobs. Call centers? Sure.
 
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volfanhill said:
That list, much like my Johnson, is long and distinguished.

I don't agree with the assumption that just bc one could outsource offsite work to china or India at a lower cost means they will. The skill isn't necessarily there for many jobs. Call centers? Sure.
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We always thought you were a Big Richard
 
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volfanhill said:
That list, much like my Johnson, is long and distinguished.

I don't agree with the assumption that just bc one could outsource offsite work to china or India at a lower cost means they will. The skill isn't necessarily there for many jobs. Call centers? Sure.
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Almost anything that can be done via the internet and phone can be outsourced overseas.
 
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hog88 said:
Almost anything that can be done via the internet and phone can be outsourced overseas.
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Until you have communication issues. We've learned there is a very big difference between "speaking english" and communicating in english.
Not to mention the issues that arise when local holidays come into play.
If we could hire (and retain) enough quality people in the US, I think we'd close all our remote call centers.
 
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Wireless1 said:
Until you have communication issues. We've learned there is a very big difference between "speaking english" and communicating in english.
Not to mention the issues that arise when local holidays come into play.
If we could hire (and retain) enough quality people in the US, I think we'd close all our remote call centers.
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Friend of mine is a project manager that does time and attendance systems, almost all of the programmers/software engineers he uses are based in India or somewhere else overseas. He complains about the language barrier and other culture issues but said he can't find enough US based contractors and if he did the cost would be almost double.
 
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VolStrom said:
I found this article thread worthy. Apparently, the stay at home generation has found a new way to fleece corporate America by working 2 stay at home jobs. I guess when you only work a few hours a day, why not get a second only work a few hours a day job and double your income.

Secret 'overemployment' grows as a remote work trend, but risks are involved
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My type of work, we're way for efficient and our company's number have show. With type of job it's easy to tell when someone gets behind
 
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VolStrom said:
All I can say is that most people working from home won't have a job 5 years from now. If you can do your job at home, some Indian or Chinese person will do it cheaper and put your ass out of work.
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Yep. The people I know personally that work from home have few life skills beyond banging on a keyboard in their pajamas and could easily be replaced by a low IQ person with little education.
 
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hog88 said:
Almost anything that can be done via the internet and phone can be outsourced overseas.
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And could have been done years ago as well. Not sure I understand why it would happen now just because there's more work from home being sought in the US
 
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utvolpj said:
And could have been done years ago as well. Not sure I understand why it would happen now just because there's more work from home being sought in the US
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The same reason they outsource other jobs, money. Companies can only employ so many bean counters especially when they expect to work from home.
 
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C-south said:
The same reason they outsource other jobs, money. Companies can only employ so many bean counters especially when they expect to work from home.
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So they didn't need money years ago? Those looking to outsource already have for the most part. There isn't going to be since huge job exodus
 
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allvol123 said:
Rarely have I seen someone bust their butt in an intelligent manner and not be rewarded.

Also, I see this notion talked about on here in regards to “I choose to work less to have a better quality of life” than my parents. BS. That isn’t the choice at all. We are able to work less and still have a better quality of life because of technology, inherited wealth from previous generations, etc.
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Rewarded how?

As I explained pur generation has a different set of values. Money is nice, but not the end all be all. Titles are absolutely meaningless, I am a licensed architect now, I can finally legally call myself one, it did not change a single thing I do in my job.

A promotion that requires me to work more, even if it pays more, is not going to be considered a reward. What's the point of making more money if I cant do anything with it, and dont enjoy it?

Or take me for instance. I am a real good "doer" at my job. So I got "promoted" new shiny title, with new responsibilities, but no real wage increase and no reset expectations with the new responsibilities. That doesnt feel like a reward. I am now a "manager" type, but what my projects need is a "doer" but I dont have one because the only doer was me, and now I have to manage, because there was no one that was managing the project. It's kinda like the Peter Principle but throw in enjoyment as well. There are plenty of times I feel like I am being punished for being good at my job, that's not a reward. Makes mom and dad happy, they think it means something, but at best I am indifferent, at worse it's a negative in my mindset.
 
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LouderVol said:
Rewarded how?

As I explained pur generation has a different set of values. Money is nice, but not the end all be all. Titles are absolutely meaningless, I am a licensed architect now, I can finally legally call myself one, it did not change a single thing I do in my job.

A promotion that requires me to work more, even if it pays more, is not going to be considered a reward. What's the point of making more money if I cant do anything with it, and dont enjoy it?

Or take me for instance. I am a real good "doer" at my job. So I got "promoted" new shiny title, with new responsibilities, but no real wage increase and no reset expectations with the new responsibilities. That doesnt feel like a reward. I am now a "manager" type, but what my projects need is a "doer" but I dont have one because the only doer was me, and now I have to manage, because there was no one that was managing the project. It's kinda like the Peter Principle but throw in enjoyment as well. There are plenty of times I feel like I am being punished for being good at my job, that's not a reward. Makes mom and dad happy, they think it means something, but at best I am indifferent, at worse it's a negative in my mindset.
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one of these days you're gonna meet that special someone who inspires you to work longer hours, give them all your money just to keep that person quiet so you can spend as much time away from them as possible
 
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VolStrom said:
All I can say is that most people working from home won't have a job 5 years from now. If you can do your job at home, some Indian or Chinese person will do it cheaper and put your ass out of work.
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This.. those of us in service industries where you have to have face to face and never got to work from home at any point of Covid.. your job is safe.. that’s what kept me going at the beginning of Covid when everyone else got to stay home lol..I personally like physically going to work and seeing my coworkers, that’s just me, I need actual people interaction too.. my husband’s job had to fire several millennials that wouldn’t come back in person lol.. they were bluffing.. and they lost 🤣 It was pretty funny
 
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LadyVolette said:
This.. those of us in service industries where you have to have face to face and never got to work from home at any point of Covid.. your job is safe.. that’s what kept me going at the beginning of Covid when everyone else got to stay home lol..I personally like physically going to work and seeing my coworkers, that’s just me, I need actual people interaction too
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I think you may have a limited understanding of what can get done from home if you believe this. Service industry is being replaced more rapidly than jobs like mine
 
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