Palin quit because ....

Palin quit because ....

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#201
#201
volinbham said:
In her speeches - you know when you state your platform?

She knew more about oil and natural gas than Obama ever will. Also, while she advocated increasing use of natural gas in particular (she's not alone here) she advocated for alternative energy too.

Bottomline, she had a more broadbased energy source agenda than Obama did.
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"Broadbased energy source agenda"? The only thing I heard her say was "drill". And pander to the "drill, baby, drill" chants at the convention.
 
#202
#202
volinbham said:
As I recall, she discussed the role of oil and natural gas in particular in moving towards energy independence. She also advocated pursuing alternative energies with as much detail as we heard from Obama.

I believe that many energy experts agree more with her view of energy policy than Obama's. T. Boone is one that comes to mind but there are others.

She absolutely blew on foreign policy but I'd say she was at least on par with Obama and more importantly Biden (since that was her competitor) on energy policy.
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Really?
 
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rjd970 said:
Where did Obama come out and specifically state his policy was to tax people so poor people get richer and rich people get poorer? Where did he specifically come out and say I am going to side with unions at the expense of management? Those were not his stated policies...they were a result of his ideology and governmental beliefs...but they were not specifically stated on his platform.

When Palin comes out and says she doesn't believe in Evolution, or life begins at the very moment of conception...what's the chance she is well versed in the science behind those claims? Is there any doubt they come directly from her religious ideology?

I fundamentally disagree with your post because IMO you are using different criteria to distinguish beliefs and stated platforms between the candidates.

Besides, you even said it yourself, the criteria I am using to highlight the importance religion plays in Palin's platform also applies to Obama and the role his equality/union pandering plays in his platform.
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Word for word...

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The Dude said:
I personally thought she sounded stupid as hell on the Today Show when her response to why we "need" a natural gas pipeline in AK was "because Exxon wants it." The WSJ claims we won't need that pipeline with foreign countries dumping theirs on us at a cheap price. No, that situation won't last forever, but she never clarified why it was truly needed.
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When was that WSJ article written? Because of recent natural gas discoveries (not really in Alaska, though, I think) I am pretty sure that the US has become a net exporter of natural gas. We went from talking about building LNG terminals to very quickly exporting natural gas in very short order, IIRC.
 
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rjd970 said:
Where did Obama come out and specifically state his policy was to tax people so poor people get richer and rich people get poorer?

Does spread the wealth around sound familiar? Do his repeated raise taxes on those that can afford to pay them sound familiar? Do his statements about providing more services to the marginalized sound familiar?

Where did he specifically come out and say I am going to side with unions at the expense of management? Those were not his stated policies...they were a result of his ideology and governmental beliefs...but they were not specifically stated on his platform.

You are the one making the assertation that because Palin is deeply religious, she had a religious platform but I can't recall a single policy she advocated that had a religious connection.

Alternatively, Obama's policies statements were MORE closely related to welfare related policies.

When Palin comes out and says she doesn't believe in Evolution, or life begins at the very moment of conception...what's the chance she is well versed in the science behind those claims? Is there any doubt they come directly from her religious ideology?

Ideology and platform are different things as I've tried to point out. Nowhere that I can see did she advocate any policy related to Evolution.


I fundamentally disagree with your post because IMO you are using different criteria to distinguish beliefs and stated platforms between the candidates.

I don't agree with you that I'm using different criteria.

Besides, you even said it yourself, the criteria I am using to highlight the importance religion plays in Palin's platform also applies to Obama and the role his equality/union pandering plays in his platform.
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The distinction is the direct connection between a policy pronouncement and the ideology. That said, I wouldn't call Obama's platform as one that was union and welfare based. I'm saying the link between his platform (his stated agenda) and a welfare ideology is more direct.
 
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rjd970 said:
My stepdad is Mormon. I have known him for over 20 years. I love him, he is great to us, he is a good man, and I would defend him against any personal attacks. Now because I listened to him teach us about his faith, prayed with him, even went to church with him on occassion growing up...does that mean I am a "freakin' moron" for not believing the crazy nonsense he does?

You seem to have a problem separating the man from the message here.
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I have some friends who are Mormon. They are good people too. I have not attended church services with them. However, I will ask them if they hear vile hatred, bitter racism, and "damn America" from the pulpit.

I will concede your point, if they answer in the affirmative. I seriously doubt I will be conceding. My friends wouldn't tolerate such a message for twenty minutes, much less twenty years. Must be all that "crazy nonsense" they were raised in.

You seem to have a problem reconciling Obama's public actions and what you want to believe.
 
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rjd970 said:
"Broadbased energy source agenda"? The only thing I heard her say was "drill". And pander to the "drill, baby, drill" chants at the convention.
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You are as biased as LG in this one. Obviously she said more than this. She advocated nuclear energy more strongly than Obama. She also advocated wind, solar, etc.

The drill, baby, drill is a differentiator from Obama - it is not the sum of her views as you suggest.

Neither you nor LG can admit one single positive thing about Palin.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
I have some friends who are Mormon. They are good people too. I have not attended church services with them. However, I will ask them if they hear vile hatred, bitter racism, and "damn America" from the pulpit.

I will concede your point, if they answer in the affirmative. I seriously doubt I will be conceding. My friends wouldn't tolerate such a message for twenty minutes, much less twenty years. Must be all that "crazy nonsense" they were raised in.

You seem to have a problem reconciling Obama's public actions and what you want to believe.
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Pot meet kettle.

I couldn't care less what some loony nutbag or witch priest says in a church sermon, regardless if it is Palin or Obama. Message aside, all I know is your reasoning for believing Obama believes every bit of what he heard in church is nonsense.
 
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rjd970 said:
Pot meet kettle.

I could careless what some loony nutbag or witch priest says in a church sermon, regardless if it is Palin or Obama. Message aside, all I know is your reasoning for believing Obama believes every bit of what he heard in church nonsense.
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Really, his whole political view point is based on black liberation theology.
 
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volinbham said:
Neither you nor LG can admit one single positive thing about Palin.
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You're right, with me anyway. I think she was, and still is, horrendous from every aspect. Her lone bright spot was executive experience and now it turns out she can't even do that right.
 
#212
#212
rjd970 said:
Pot meet kettle.

I could careless what some loony nutbag or witch priest says in a church sermon, regardless if it is Palin or Obama. Message aside, all I know is your reasoning for believing Obama believes every bit of what he heard in church nonsense.
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His public defense of the vile messenger is all the proof needed.

I'm not the only person in this nation with this belief. I'm not the only person in this forum with that belief. Matter of fact, more than one have shared these same beliefs in this thread.

I know, anything negative about the Obama Messiah is nonsense.
 
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joevol320 said:
i guess it shows how relentless dems are. if she wasn't such a threat, i'm sure the dems wouldn't be accusing her of every small problem. of course libs are below normal humans and i'm sure they probably get a kick out of trying to destroy lives. i guess that's why lawgaytor is such a fan.
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If she wasn't such a threat? :eek:lol: A threat to your party maybe. I personally hopes Palin runs.
 
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rjd970 said:
You're right, with me anyway. I think she was, and still is, horrendous from every aspect. Her lone bright spot was executive experience and now it turns out she can't even do that right.
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As opposed to Obama's vast experience? We'll never know if Palin is qualified to be POTUS. Obama, has clearly shown he is not qualified.
 
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#216
SavageOrangeJug said:
His public defense of the vile messenger is all the proof needed.

I'm not the only person in this nation with this belief. I'm not the only person in this forum with that belief. Matter of fact, more than one have shared these same beliefs in this thread.

I know, anything negative about the Obama Messiah is nonsense.
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This may come as a shock to you, but that doesn't suprise me in the least around here.
 
#218
#218
OWB said:
If she wasn't such a threat? :eek:lol: A threat to your party maybe. I personally hopes Palin runs.
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1.) Really, your parties hate machine rolled out hard and furious!

2.) We will have had scum of the earth running our country for 12 years.... no more.....

3.) I will be moving close to you in 8 months!

:)
 
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#223
TennTradition said:
When was that WSJ article written? Because of recent natural gas discoveries (not really in Alaska, though, I think) I am pretty sure that the US has become a net exporter of natural gas. We went from talking about building LNG terminals to very quickly exporting natural gas in very short order, IIRC.
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I have no idea, Lauer just asked her about the article and all she had to say was it was a short-sighted view.

Here's a link that may help:

newsminer.com • Dermot Cole: Palin says pipeline looks good with Exxon agreement
 
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