Palin quit because ....

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#151
#151
volinbham said:
You are confusing her religious beliefs with a religious platform. Her campaign as VP was not built on a religious platform. It was built on energy independence, being a "maverick" and changing politics as usual in Washington (being an outsider).

The fact that she herself was strongly religious doesn't mean that was her platform.
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the "witchcraft" thing was an African minister who's congregation (which is in African tribal areas) includes people who are still extremely superstitious, and he may even be a little himself. To portray Palin as some sort of religious wacko because of a visiting minister from Africa is intellectually dishonest.

Couple that with LG's constant apologies for the rantings of Jeremiah Wright and you move from intellectual dishonesty to outright hypocrisy.
 
#152
#152
Cliffnotes of what happened so far.

Center-Left people on the board say that Palin's a moron, which we all knew anyways.

Conservative members of the board bring up Joe Biden, in a near-mindless sort of fashion. Again, we knew this already.

Do I have this about right so far?
 
#153
#153
nickknx865 said:
Cliffnotes of what happened so far.

Center-Left people on the board say that Palin's a moron, which we all knew anyways.

Conservative members of the board bring up Joe Biden, in a near-mindless sort of fashion. Again, we knew this already.

Do I have this about right so far?
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you forgot to add:

naive 18 year olds who jump on the anti-Palin bandwagon because Jon Stewart told them to.
 
#154
#154
MG1968 said:
you forgot to add:

naive 18 year olds who jump on the anti-Palin bandwagon because Jon Stewart told them to.
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No, I jumped on the anti-Palin bandwagon because of her lack of intellect, the fact that the only things that qualify her are running a small community in the Anchorage metro area, and governing a state that has about as many people as the Knoxville metropolitan area.
 
#155
#155
MG1968 said:
the "witchcraft" thing was an African minister who's congregation (which is in African tribal areas) includes people who are still extremely superstitious, and he may even be a little himself. To portray Palin as some sort of religious wacko because of a visiting minister from Africa is intellectually dishonest.

Couple that with LG's constant apologies for the rantings of Jeremiah Wright and you move from intellectual dishonesty to outright hypocrisy.
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Let me see if I have this right. Obama is forever responsible for the lunatic rants of Wright even when Obama was not in the audience, whereas Palin, who was standing RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE GUY when he said his witchcraft comments, is absolved of all responsibility even though she stood there when he said it, did not back off of it, let him lay hands on her as part of that prayer, and stood in a prayer circle with him and two others as the guy was involved in his wackiness.

Ok. Makes sense.
 
#156
#156
volinbham said:
You are confusing her religious beliefs with a religious platform. Her campaign as VP was not built on a religious platform. It was built on energy independence, being a "maverick" and changing politics as usual in Washington (being an outsider).

The fact that she herself was strongly religious doesn't mean that was her platform.
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Maybe...but you are deluding yourself if you think the religious street cred she brought to the ticket didn't play dividends with the religious right. You're making it sound like she was the best VP candidate out there, regardless of her religious beliefs. For instance, I thought Romney was more qualified than her on multiple levels. He had executive and private sector experience. He wanted energy independence, and he was a Washington "outsider". But he wore magic underwear, ya know?

Bush never ran on a religious platform either, but he won well over 80% of the evangelical vote. Her platform may not have been specifically religious, but her appeal absolutely was.
 
#157
#157
lawgator1 said:
Let me see if I have this right. Obama is forever responsible for the lunatic rants of Wright even when Obama was not in the audience, whereas Palin, who was standing RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE GUY when he said his witchcraft comments, is absolved of all responsibility even though she stood there when he said it, did not back off of it, let him lay hands on her as part of that prayer, and stood in a prayer circle with him and two others as the guy was involved in his wackiness.

Ok. Makes sense.
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one day vs. 20 years.

you make the call.
 
#158
#158
lawgator1 said:
Let me see if I have this right. Obama is forever responsible for the lunatic rants of Wright even when Obama was not in the audience, whereas Palin, who was standing RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE GUY when he said his witchcraft comments, is absolved of all responsibility even though she stood there when he said it, did not back off of it, let him lay hands on her as part of that prayer, and stood in a prayer circle with him and two others as the guy was involved in his wackiness.

Ok. Makes sense.
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Did Palin continue to attend this church for 20 years? Did she call this man a mentor? Did she refer to this man as, "like a member of my family"? Did she place her love for this man on the same level as her grandmother?

Did Obama do all the above when it came to the virulent racist, Jeremiah Wright?

LG, as an attorney you will fully understand this phrase. You don't have a case.
 
#159
#159
To me, Bush ran on a more religious platform that Palin brought, with his compassionate conservatism, etc.
 
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#161
#161
The reason why I cut Obama slack on the Rev. Wright issue is because, I have a similar situation with one of my uncles. He says a lot of crazy political and racial type of things that most people would be shocked by, and I've spent my whole life around him and while I spend my time with him and love him, I do not agree with any of those things he says at all. And I think it would be really unfortunate if some people held this against me if I one day ran for office, because I love him and spend time with him, but I still have plenty of disagreements with the things that he says.
 
#162
#162
TennTradition said:
To me, Bush ran on a more religious platform that Palin brought, with is compassionate conservatism, etc.
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True, but like with Palin, it wasn't explicitely Christian, or even religious. Yet the Christian right could read through the lines.
 
#164
#164
Voodoomonkey said:
The reason why I cut Obama slack on the Rev. Wright issue is because, I have a similar situation with one of my uncles. He says a lot of crazy political and racial type of things that most people would be shocked by, and I've spent my whole life around him and while I spend my time with him and love him, I do not agree with any of those things he says at all. And I think it would be really unfortunate if some people held this against me if I one day ran for office, because I love him and spend time with him, but I still have plenty of disagreements with the things that he says.
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There is one big difference here........you don't get to pick your family! Your minister and mentor, different story altogether.
 
#165
#165
Voodoomonkey said:
The reason why I cut Obama slack on the Rev. Wright issue is because, I have a similar situation with one of my uncles. He says a lot of crazy political and racial type of things that most people would be shocked by, and I've spent my whole life around him and while I spend my time with him and love him, I do not agree with any of those things he says at all. And I think it would be really unfortunate if some people held this against me if I one day ran for office, because I love him and spend time with him, but I still have plenty of disagreements with the things that he says.
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your uncle is blood. what's obama's excuse?
 
#166
#166
rjd970 said:
True, but like with Palin, it wasn't explicitely Christian, or even religious. Yet the Christian right could read through the lines.
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That doesn't mean that she ran on a religious platform, though. They perhaps liked that about her, but it doesn't mean that she was running on it.
 
#167
#167
SavageOrangeJug said:
Did Palin continue to attend this church for 20 years? Did she call this man a mentor? Did she refer to this man as, "like a member of my family"? Did she place her love for this man on the same level as her grandmother?

Did Obama do all the above when it came to the virulent racist, Jeremiah Wright?

LG, as an attorney you will fully understand this phrase. You don't have a case.
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droski said:
exactly. what is she supposed to do exactly? storm out? berate the guy?

obama on the other hand considered this wackjob one of his closest mentors.
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Really? So does that mean that Palin adopts the practices and teachings of the churches she attends for years? Will you stipulate to that?

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Well?


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(Assume you are looking up some of the bizarro stuff from her churches and realizing, duh, uh oh, its pretty bad) ............


Conclusion: I didn't think you would.
 
#168
#168
FenianVol said:
because she is a stupid hick bimbo and most of you idiots will vote for her?
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Extremely ironic considering you were one of the idiots that voted for Obama.

On a side note many of those voters are now beginning to question their support, you just keep slurping the kool-ade though.

So Obama is doing a good job IYO?
 
#169
#169
FenianVol said:
because she is a stupid hick bimbo and most of you idiots will vote for her?
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hey, if a half-white neo-Marxist can get 52.7% of the electorate to vote for him, a leggy MILF like Palin should be able to score at least 52.8%.
 
#170
#170
lawgator1 said:
Really? So does that mean that Palin adopts the practices and teachings of the churches she attends for years? Will you stipulate to that?

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Well?
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yes as long as you stipulate that obama believes what reverand wright says. your turn
 
#171
#171
lawgator1 said:
Really? So does that mean that Palin adopts the practices and teachings of the churches she attends for years? Will you stipulate to that?

........

Well?


........................

(Assume you are looking up some of the bizarro stuff from her churches and realizing, duh, uh oh, its pretty bad) ............


Conclusion: I didn't think you would.
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Show me a church she attended for even five years, and I will whole heartedly agree that she believed the message.

You do not sit and listen for years on end, to a message you do not agree with.

Twenty years of Wright's virulent racism. Damn right, Obama agreed with it.
 
#172
#172
TennTradition said:
That doesn't mean that she ran on a religious platform, though. They perhaps liked that about her, but it doesn't mean that she was running on it.
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I agree, and I never said she did. But if she wasn't Christian, no way she gets the nod as the VP pick is all I'm saying. Her actual platform is secondary to her stated religious beliefs. McCain needed that. If it wasn't the case, there should have been nothing keeping him from choosing Romney, based soley on platform and qualifications.
 
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#174
SavageOrangeJug said:
Show me a church she attended for even five years, and I will whole heartedly agree that she believed the message.

You do not sit and listen for years on end, to a message you do not agree with.

Twenty years of Wright's virulent racism. Damn right, Obama agreed with it.
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Without any substantial proof in the form of statements Obama has made or papers he has written, you're using circular logic here.

He attended because he agreed with the message, and he agreed with the message because he attended?
 
#175
#175
droski said:
yes as long as you stipulate that obama believes what reverand wright says. your turn
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No, no, no, no. no. You guys are the ones who said that Palin was excused from not distancing herself from loony tunes religious stuff at her church because it was one time only or too attenuated from her membership but then insist that Obama buys everything that ever happens at his, whether he is there that day or not.

I say that Palin, who was standing with, and accepting a prayer from her own Reverend Wackadoodle has a responsibility to say, at least after the fact, you know what, I'm not really a big believer in witchcraft and so I am not endorsing what he said.

Obama said he denounced a lot of what Wright has said.

The difference I see is that Obama did the right thing whilst Palin apologists like yourselves continue to scramble to find ways to worm out of the fact that Palin is herself a religious nut who buys into all of the latest and greatest speaking in tongues, anti-Catholic, demons are all around us, witchcraft goes on all the time garbage that her chuirch spews out to keep people afraid out of their minds and therefore in the church.

Come to think of it, as simple minded as she is, its really not remarkable that she has remained silent on the criticisms of the church whackiness she has been a part of and witness to. That's because she either buys into it or doesn't understand it. Take your pick.
 
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