Pastor Jones has new gimmick

#76
#76
Gramps said:
What religion other than Mormonism believe that if one pays a full ten percent tithe to their place of worship they will become a good member
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Islam, Judaism, Hinduism (off the top of my head).

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and become a god
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Catholicism; the Church of England.

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of there own planet?
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LDS

Is believing in dominion on other-worldly planets really that much crazier when the discussion already admits of individuals walking on water, raising the dead, turning water into wine, parting the Red Sea, watching the Sun dance in the sky, etc.?
 
#77
#77
therealUT said:
Islam, Judaism, Hinduism (off the top of my head).

You are now breaking the question down into two parts in order for you to make your point that all religion is bad?

Catholicism; the Church of England.

Catholicism is full of errors , however I did not know that a human could become a God of their own planet was part of the Catrholic Doma.

LDS

LDS is mormons


Is believing in dominion on other-worldly planets really that much crazier when the discussion already admits of individuals walking on water, raising the dead, turning water into wine, parting the Red Sea, watching the Sun dance in the sky, etc.?
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Yes it is .
 
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Gramps said:
Yes it is.
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I am not here saying that all-religion is bad, or that any religion is bad (that is a discussion for another day).

I am making the point that most religions have beliefs that anyone outside of that community would regard as fantasy. Further, there are plenty of religions that demand "tithes to the temple" (heck, even Freemasonry demands tithes, which they refer to as membership dues), and these are part of being a good x.

To call one set of religious beliefs "crazy" while adhering to another set of religious beliefs is odd.
 
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therealUT said:
I am not here saying that all-religion is bad, or that any religion is bad (that is a discussion for another day).

I am making the point that most religions have beliefs that anyone outside of that community would regard as fantasy. Further, there are plenty of religions that demand "tithes to the temple" (heck, even Freemasonry demands tithes, which they refer to as membership dues), and these are part of being a good x.

To call one set of religious beliefs "crazy" while adhering to another set of religious beliefs is odd.
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Can you name one religion that you do not consider bad?

At one time Catholic was the religion you referenced the most and appeared to use it as the standard for Christianity.
 
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therealUT said:
I am not here saying that all-religion is bad, or that any religion is bad (that is a discussion for another day).

I am making the point that most religions have beliefs that anyone outside of that community would regard as fantasy. Further, there are plenty of religions that demand "tithes to the temple" (heck, even Freemasonry demands tithes, which they refer to as membership dues), and these are part of being a good x.

To call one set of religious beliefs "crazy" while adhering to another set of religious beliefs is odd.
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Truth. Every religion/denomination seems strange in its own way to outsiders. Growing up Mormon I didn't realize my beliefs were considered weird until I got older. I always thought the belief that Jesus Christ and God are literally the same being was way weird, but to a Baptist that seems normal.

Christianity is so weird. Doesn't mean it's wrong or it's right, but when you are surrounded by Christians, it probably doesn't seem all that weird.
 
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Gramps said:
Can you name one religion that you do not consider bad?
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Religions that I do not consider bad:
Catholicism, Greek Orthodox Christianity, most Protestant sects, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism.

Religions that I do not consider good:
Catholicism, Greek Orthodox Christianity, most Protestant sects, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism

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At one time Catholic was the religion you referenced the most and appeared to use it as the standard for Christianity.
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Correct.
 
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#83
DinkinFlicka said:
So should all Christian churches around the country feel obligated to denounce the WBC whenever they picket a funeral?
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Its more a politician thing. They are the political leaders -- they should speak up.

But they are afraid to do so. Especially if the far right mulling a primary challenge against them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I mean, you have bham on here saying he doesn't see any evidence that this is racial. Really ????? Wouldn't it be better just to condemn it as having offensive racial symbolism to it, intended or not, and denounce it as such?
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The fact that some may see racism in the act doesn't make it racism. Racism is a conscious act. I see no value in outrage aimed at an act that others see as racial if the actor had no racial intent. It gets us nowhere but further into division.

The pastor is a POS for being a hate monger. I denounced him for that. Hanging a political figure in effigy is distasteful but in the end no big deal. He's a POS for his more blatant hateful rhetoric whether it's racially based or not. I do not denounce someone for hanging a political figure in effigy. Not worth the time.
 
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#87
Gramps said:
What religion other than Mormonism believe that if one pays a full ten percent tithe to their church they will become a good member and become the God of there own planet?
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therealUT said:
Islam, Judaism, Hinduism (off the top of my head).



Catholicism; the Church of England.



LDS

Is believing in dominion on other-worldly planets really that much crazier when the discussion already admits of individuals walking on water, raising the dead, turning water into wine, parting the Red Sea, watching the Sun dance in the sky, etc.?
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I believe you could add Scientology to that list as well.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I believe you could add Scientology to that list as well.
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Which list should Scientology be added to?

TRUT has 3 list in his post you quoted.

1. Islam, Judaism, Hinduism listed as one can become a good member by paying 10% tithes to their place of worship.

2. Catholicism; the Church of England
listed as one can become a God.

3. LDS (Mormon) listed as one can become the God of their own planet.
 
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LG, your reaction?
 
#90
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Gramps said:
Which list should Scientology be added to?

TRUT has 3 list in his post you quoted.

1. Islam, Judaism, Hinduism listed as one can become a good member by paying 10% tithes to their place of worship.

2. Catholicism; the Church of England
listed as one can become a God.

3. LDS (Mormon) listed as one can become the God of their own planet.
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From what I understand about the theology of Scientology, I would say it would fall under the first two for sure. They don't necessarily pay 10% of the income automatically like the LDS but they do pay money to the Church to increase their spirituality in the ultimate hope of being a deity-like entity at some point in the future.

As for the third category, the scripture of Scientology is all about other planets, their history, and how it relates to Earth and human beings. I am not sure whether or not that fits the third category.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Both incidents are very wrong and I criticize both.

But of Obama, yes, that's got an extra level of meanness to it based on racial context that all should condemn.

I wouldn't say its criminal and it is permitted expression because of the First Amendment. I'd like to have seen more people on here completely disassociate the right from this in any respect and join the rest of society in harshly criticizing this. And yes, because of race.

More than a little surprised that folks won't address the racial overtone here head on and call it for what it is.
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Oh GFY. It's people like you that keep the race crap going because you look for racism in everything.
 
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lawgator1 said:
What evidence would you want? A declaration "I am doing this because he's black and I hate blacks"?

I think most rational people would consider hanging a black man in effigy as including at least some element of racism, given history.
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You don't even know what a rational person is, and it's certainly not the person you see in the mirror.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, and that's my point.

I would have hoped that people who dislike Obama because of his policies would jump all over the Jones effigy thing and denounce it, strongly, in order to claim the high ground.

But they didn't. Its not that they agree with what Jones does. Its that they are afraid of those within their own ranks that do.
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So where were all the left wingers jumping on those doing the same to Bush, McCain, and Palin? All you say is YOU criticize it but it's not like left wingers in mass came out against it. There was hardly a peep.
 
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What is George W. Bush's Severed Head Doing in Game of Thrones? - Forbes

When you’re making Game of Thrones, you need a lot of severed body parts. It’s the cost of doing business. Making them from scratch is prohibitively expensive, so you tend to take whatever the studio has laying around and dress it up. Sometimes, you end up with the severed head of George W. Bush on a pike.

“The last head on the left is George Bush. George Bush’s head appears in a couple of beheading scenes. It’s not a choice, it’s not a political statement. We just had to use whatever head we had around.”
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So if they didn't intend to make any kind of statement with it is this still an insult? LG must say yes since "most rational people" may interpret it that way.
 
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