Path to a #1 seed

#151
#151
UNC was seeded 5, and we were seeded 6 in the top 16 reveal last year. UNC lost one more game the rest of the year. We lost 2. We probably had better quality wins, but if we beat UK at the end of the regular season, we might have had a shot to overcome that. But UNC always had the slight edge.
 
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#156
Thunder Good-Oil said:
Jerry Palm says that conference tournaments are factored into seeding. On Sunday they have the various scenarios already figured out based on championship game outcomes.
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That seals it for me. Palm is always clueless in seeding. As I’ve said, I’m pretty sure Lunardi has a source, but his seed lines seem to be much more accurate.
 
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VolGee4 said:
That seals it for me. Palm is always clueless in seeding. As I’ve said, I’m pretty sure Lunardi has a source, but his seed lines seem to be much more accurate.
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So clueless that he makes his living doing it?

There’s also a difference between predicting team seeds and understanding the procedure used by the selection committee.
 
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#159
I think we will be somewhere on the 2-3 seed line when it’s all said and done. This team is way too inconsistent offensively to get a true read on how they will finish. I personally think we will go 3-2 down the stretch if we hold form to our inconsistent woes, should hold on to a 2 seed with that finish. But, if they play up to their potential, I could see 4-1 with a possible outside shot at a 1 seed. If we play bad, we could finish 2-3 which I think we drop us on the 3 line. We are in the hunt and as a fan that’s all I can ask for. These last 5 games will be interesting. Go Vols! In Barnes we trust!
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
So clueless that he makes his living doing it?

There’s also a difference between predicting team seeds and understanding the procedure used by the selection committee.
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He’s a longtime journalist and does it in football too. Just because CBS hooked their wagons to him doesn’t mean he’s good. I’ve seen multiple projections by him the last number of years that were just dumb. I just don’t believe he’s great at it.
 
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87Vol said:
The only way Tennessee gets a #1 seed is to win out and at least make it to the SEC Tourney Championship game. If we finish with only 6 losses after the Conference tourney, we have a decent shot depending upon how other teams finish. Seven losses on Selection Sunday will not get it done, IMO. I would love to get a #1 seed since we have never done it before, but I will be happy with a #2 seed. We have some really tough games coming up with @ A&M, Bama, @ Ole Miss, plus whoever we face in the SEC tourney, so I fear that if we don't play well we could drop to a #3 seed. Without a total collapse, the worst we will be is a #3 seed. That's a pretty good year, although after going undefeated in the pre-conference schedule, I was hoping to be closer to where Auburn currently is.
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This is the most likely scenario. Staying on the #2 line is a challenge in and of itself but if we go undefeated the rest of the regular season I think that will be enough for a #1.
 
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#166
ABtheVolsfan92 said:
Palm is correct it does absolutely factor in seeding. I think most of us Vol fans are still butt hurt from winning it and staying a 3 seed but that was a rare scenario
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Those of us who say that the tournament results do not matter ... are not (butt hurt)! We are looking at the actual seeding.
Opinions are like noses, everybody has got one ... with that said ...
YOU are calling that case "a rare scenario" ... and your call is based on what set of factual evidence???
These guys are politicians, when they say something ... it is politically correct speech, but not necessarily the exact truth. They say what they need to say, to appear in the best light possible.
Show me the facts, not some set of words. Look at previous choices ... I believe their actions, not well meaning words.
Here is a pretty good look at how the seeding is done.
Because of the way they do seeding .... what is not obvious is that a team constantly being in front of you (any team) ... over time becomes permanent ... through repetition.
We say it all the time ... repetition makes permanent.
Also, there is a known affect of supposed "bluebloods" getting favorable votes.
There is also the concept of negative promotion, where the enemy of my enemy ... is my friend.
The members are biased and have agendas ... they can't help it!
 
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Dougie_D said:
As far as I know Auburn and Duke are locks as 2/4 number 1 seeds.

That leaves 2 left with :
Bama, TN, FL are floating around for those last spots.
After the KY loss , I think we may have slipped down to 3rd.
- Bama
- FL
- TN

Bama has everything to gain and everything to lose. Every single game left is a top 25 matchup.
They only get bounced out if they go 2-5 which seems unlikely .. SO- that will lead us FL and TN for last spot. I’m

Even if we win out we’d need a FL loss.
- OR,
If we lose 1 game it can only be against Bama , Ole Miss, or TX AM and hope FL loses twice to any team .

TN remaining schedule:
Vandy
@TX AM *
@lsu
Bama *
@Ole Miss *
South Carolina

Florida remaining schedule:
South Carolina
Oklahoma
@lsu
@Georgia
TX AM *
@bama *
Ole Miss *
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Mo. is coming on strong 3 top five wins, depends on how they finish, well that goes for all in the running though.
 
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#168
Bama isn’t done losing folks. I said they’d lose at least 3 down the stretch and they’ve already lost 2 of those games with road games against us and Auburn still to go, on top of 3 other ranked opponents at home with UF, Miss St and UK. If we beat Bama and split with Ole Miss and A&M I believe we will have a 1 seed.
 
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#169
Safe to say this Texas A&M game Saturday is a must win if we want that #1 seed.
We haven't faired well against top competition on the road in the SEC this year.
Time to come out guns blazing and prove we belong in the top 4 of the country!
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Safe to say this Texas A&M game Saturday is a must win if we want that #1 seed.
We haven't faired well against top competition on the road in the SEC this year.
Time to come out guns blazing and prove we belong in the top 4 of the country!
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Not true. If we lose we have to win the rest of them but it’s not a must win with Bama picking up a couple quick losses and more likely to come. I also expect some losses to come from Houston.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Safe to say this Texas A&M game Saturday is a must win if we want that #1 seed.
We haven't faired well against top competition on the road in the SEC this year.
Time to come out guns blazing and prove we belong in the top 4 of the country!
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I don’t think you can definitively say must win, you have no clue what other teams will do, specifically Alabama and Duke to close the year.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Bama isn’t done losing folks. I said they’d lose at least 3 down the stretch and they’ve already lost 2 of those games with road games against us and Auburn still to go, on top of 3 other ranked opponents at home with UF, Miss St and UK. If we beat Bama and split with Ole Miss and A&M I believe we will have a 1 seed.
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Yup I said this in another post. I knew they'd drop some with how brutal their last 7 games is/was.

"Dude Bama's start of the SEC schedule was super soft. It's why they now have to play... #1 Auburn x 2 @ #21 Mizzou #15 UK @ #5 Vols #3 Florida Lets see how they do here because I'm going tbh... I see them going 3-4 at best."
 
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Palm and Lunardi are the bracketologists referenced the most, and neither are very good at it. Out of 179 bracketologists, Palm ranks #164 over the last 5 years and was #172 last year. Lunardi is slightly better, but with the caveat that I'm convinced he gets leaks from the committee. He finished #142 last year.

Whether the conference tournaments are weighed in the seeding will change from year to year as the committee members change. But I'm convinced that any games taking place on Selection Sunday (eg. the SEC final) have no impact unless a team is playing that wouldn't get an at-large bid.
 
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#175
I personally remember that when we beat Texas A&M for the SEC Tournament title, we got no boost in seeding for winning and they got no boost off the bubble for reaching the final. I imagine the committee either changes their mind about the relevance of the tournaments year over year or more likely they create the narrative for their choices after they have already made them.
 
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