Path to a #1 seed

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VolCalls said:
Bama lost to the only team ahead of them. They aren’t moving unless they keep losing.
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Idk about that man, Florida has the better overall record, and Florida beat Auburn when they couldn’t. At home no less, and Bama loss at home.
This is the AP we talking about. They look at stuff like that. I think you see Florida in that #2 spot tmmrw.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Idk about that man, Florida has the better overall record, and Florida beat Auburn when they couldn’t. At home no less, and Bama loss at home.
This is the AP we talking about. They look at stuff like that. I think you see Florida in that #2 spot tmmrw.
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I thought this thread was about the committee’s top 16, not the AP ?
 
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99gator said:
I will say one thing that I think most of the board can agree on. If the SEC is going to be the best or second best basketball conference in America moving forward.....then, the NCAA needs to look at tournament sites in the future and skew them more toward SEC country.

God forbid, Duke or North Carolina actually play first round games outside the state of North Carolina even if they are a high seed. Just once, I'd like to see #1 seed Duke in a circumstance where the closest location to their campus was Birmingham.

So, Nashville, Memphis, New Orleans, Birmingham, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Dallas, Houston, Charleston . Some of these cities seem generally reserved for Final Fours. It doesn't have to be that way. Two of these type of locations should be annual first round locations moving forward. No reason there should be a tournament site in Wichita, KS or Providence, RI. And by the way, if you can put the tournament in Providence, RI, add Jackson, MS as a tourney location

And with the death of the Pac 12, maybe it's time to think about doing away with a "West Region". Call it East Coast bias, but it doesn't make sense. How many teams West of Denver are making the tournament this year?
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I’m going to disagree with everything you said. It’s a bid process. The NCAA is a business like every other organization. Cities that want to participate have to have a certain number of hotel rooms and hotels/restaurants/entertainment options within walking distance of the venue. They have to guarantee a certain amount of revenue. Their leadership has to want to bring the tournament to town for the benefit of the local economy and put all of their resources toward it so it’s successful. All of the cities you mention are in the current rotation except Nashville, which has locked up the SEC Tournament for the next decade and can’t also bid to host the NCAA Tournament because the Arena’s primary tenant, the NHL’s Predators, are in-season and cannot give up the venue for two consecutive weeks. Further, the NCAA has no idea, especially with NIL, which conference is going to have the best teams year to year, and despite the elimination of the PAC 12, those schools didn’t suddenly move their campuses to the East Coast. The NCAAT is a national tournament with a national following and the TV networks are not going to sacrifice coast-to-coast media exposure by shunning West Coast markets and not taking the tournament to certain parts of the country.

Tell the Big 12 and Big East that Wichita and Providence should never host the tournament and see how that goes over. If you want the tournament in Jackson, MS tell their Chamber of Commerce and city officials to put together a bid package. Maybe they’ll hire you as a consultant.

And to answer your question, Joe Lunardi’s bracket currently includes 12 teams located West of Denver.
 
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orangemadam said:
Are you thinking only SEC teams have a shot at a 1 seed (other than Duke)?

Plenty of other teams outside SEC are contenders. SEC may knock themselves out
of 2 of the #1 seeds.

I expect Houston as well as several others have probably a better shot at a #1 seed than Bama, UT
and maybe even Fla. simply because they aren't gonna finish with the difficult sched that SEC teams have.
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This, I think 1 more SEC gets a 1 seed and Houston or Purdue slide in and stela the last one. Purdue is in the best position. They play Michigan State then no one else of consequence until their conference tourney. Houston has a pretty bumpy ending but if they win out they will definitely be in play.

The SEC teams have to play each other then probably face each other again in the tourney.
 
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pimo1 said:
This, I think 1 more SEC gets a 1 seed and Houston or Purdue slide in and stela the last one. Purdue is in the best position. They play Michigan State then no one else of consequence until their conference tourney. Houston has a pretty bumpy ending but if they win out they will definitely be in play.

The SEC teams have to play each other then probably face each other again in the tourney.
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Purdue isn't getting a one seed, dude.
They already have 7 losses and just lost two in a row. They most likely aren't even in the top 10 tmmrw. They not only have that Michigan State game on the road but Illinois on the road. Illinois is going to really be wanting that last game of the season. For sure they lose at least 1 more. At least. That puts them at 8 losses.
That won't get a one seed this year. Even if they won out they probably don't have a better resume than that 3rd SEC team.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Purdue isn't getting a one seed, dude.
They already have 7 losses and just lost two in a row. They most likely aren't even in the top 10 tmmrw. They not only have that Michigan State game on the road but Illinois on the road. Illinois is going to really be wanting that last game of the season. For sure they lose at least 1 more. At least. That puts them at 8 losses.
That won't get a one seed this year. Even if they won out they probably don't have a better resume than that 3rd SEC team.
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There is very likely to be 1 seeds with 7 or more losses this year counting tournaments.
 
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Auburn and Duke essentially have 2 of them locked up. 2 more spots between bama, Florida, Vols and probably the Big 12 champion (Iowa state vs Houston) depending on how many loses they have.
 
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pimo1 said:
There is very likely to be 1 seeds with 7 or more losses this year counting tournaments.
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I doubt it, but even if I said 8 losses is definitely not getting a #1 seed this year. Which is most likely what they end up.
They'll have those one seeds picked before Tournament games end, btw.

Purdue has 7 losses NOW. At this moment in time. I guess you got them winning out and winning the tournament. I doubt it, but even if they did that wouldn't guarantee them a #1 seed, my guy.

I think it's funny all things considered you think they are the Front runner for that last #1 seed.
They certainly aren't that.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
I doubt it, but even if I said 8 losses is definitely not getting a #1 seed this year. Which is most likely what they end up.
They'll have those one seeds picked before Tournament games end, btw.

Purdue has 7 losses NOW. At this moment in time. I guess you got them winning out and winning the tournament. I doubt it, but even if they did that wouldn't guarantee them a #1 seed, my guy.

I think it's funny all things considered you think they are the Front runner for that last #1 seed.
They certainly aren't that.
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Anything Pimo says should be regarded as a guarantee that the opposite is true.
 
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VolGee4 said:
This has to be clarified though. While generally this is true, KP is updated throughout the tournament, too. So, a champion is going to increase its efficiencies while making the run. I don’t know how much it changes, but the numbers need to be pre-tournament.

We moved up to 30 in offense after yesterday. If we hover between 20-25 before the tournament, then we are doing great.
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You're exactly right, but the stat that I quoted was specifically evaluated at the end of the regular season, without tournament adjustments. I think that we are too schizophrenic on offense to be a viable final four team
 
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99gator said:
I will say one thing that I think most of the board can agree on. If the SEC is going to be the best or second best basketball conference in America moving forward.....then, the NCAA needs to look at tournament sites in the future and skew them more toward SEC country.

God forbid, Duke or North Carolina actually play first round games outside the state of North Carolina even if they are a high seed. Just once, I'd like to see #1 seed Duke in a circumstance where the closest location to their campus was Birmingham.

So, Nashville, Memphis, New Orleans, Birmingham, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Dallas, Houston, Charleston . Some of these cities seem generally reserved for Final Fours. It doesn't have to be that way. Two of these type of locations should be annual first round locations moving forward. No reason there should be a tournament site in Wichita, KS or Providence, RI. And by the way, if you can put the tournament in Providence, RI, add Jackson, MS as a tourney location

And with the death of the Pac 12, maybe it's time to think about doing away with a "West Region". Call it East Coast bias, but it doesn't make sense. How many teams West of Denver are making the tournament this year?
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The west needs to be combined with the southwest at this point and the south needs to be taken out of Texas and moved to the south east rather than rotating between the SE and Texas.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Florida plays South Carolina and UGA TWICE. 2 of the last 4 in the standings, and Carolina is by far the worst team in the metrics. That affects Florida’s schedule. I don’t understand how others shrug at this.

Also, in football, Indiana had just as many losses as Penn State and were seeded 10th because their schedule mattered. Just “making the playoff” is irrelevant. Indiana avoided 7 of the other top 8 eight teams in their conference. Aside from Ohio Stare and Michigan, they all had losing records. That matters. You can’t say they just played a Big Ten schedule when the other conference teams played tougher schedules.

The same is applied to SEC football schedules. UGA played a much tougher one than us.

I’m not basing it on optimism. It’s common sense.
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Florida’s nonconference schedule is also worse than ours. I don’t know that we can have 2 more losses than Florida and get seeded over them but we can have 1 more loss and be seeded over them. Same with Houston. Bama is the opposite. We likely need them to be behind us in total losses, including a loss to us, as Bama has the tougher schedule.
 
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99gator said:
I will say one thing that I think most of the board can agree on. If the SEC is going to be the best or second best basketball conference in America moving forward.....then, the NCAA needs to look at tournament sites in the future and skew them more toward SEC country.

God forbid, Duke or North Carolina actually play first round games outside the state of North Carolina even if they are a high seed. Just once, I'd like to see #1 seed Duke in a circumstance where the closest location to their campus was Birmingham.

So, Nashville, Memphis, New Orleans, Birmingham, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Dallas, Houston, Charleston . Some of these cities seem generally reserved for Final Fours. It doesn't have to be that way. Two of these type of locations should be annual first round locations moving forward. No reason there should be a tournament site in Wichita, KS or Providence, RI. And by the way, if you can put the tournament in Providence, RI, add Jackson, MS as a tourney location

And with the death of the Pac 12, maybe it's time to think about doing away with a "West Region". Call it East Coast bias, but it doesn't make sense. How many teams West of Denver are making the tournament this year?
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I hear there’s a pretty large arena in Knoxville.
 
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VolGee4 said:
This has to be clarified though. While generally this is true, KP is updated throughout the tournament, too. So, a champion is going to increase its efficiencies while making the run. I don’t know how much it changes, but the numbers need to be pre-tournament.

We moved up to 30 in offense after yesterday. If we hover between 20-25 before the tournament, then we are doing great.
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That’s what I’ve always wondered about. Are these snapshots of rankings taken before the tourney or not? Totally agree with you if they aren’t. I started researching this a couple weeks back as there are articles about the kenpom rankings heading into the tournament from the last few years, I just haven’t had the chance to put it all together yet. I like the way you’re thinking though and you’re spot on with the UT offense. The season is still going and we’ve been rising in the offensive rankings.
 
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volsack said:
You're exactly right, but the stat that I quoted was specifically evaluated at the end of the regular season, without tournament adjustments. I think that we are too schizophrenic on offense to be a viable final four team
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To be fair, your stats are about the national champion, not who makes the F4. Big difference.
 
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VolCalls said:
I doubt we'll ever see a men's NCAA site in Knoxville again. TBA sits on campus with no walking access to enough hotels, restaurants, parking, etc. to make it worth placing a bid. There's a reason the tournament hasn't been there in 26 years. Here's an article from the News-Sentinel from last year with more information: Why the University of Tennessee won't host March Madness men's basketball anytime soon
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Dang. I was a student the last time it came through and got to work it as a volunteer. It was so fun. I’m pretty sure Mike Jarvis and I because BFFs after that. Ok, so maybe we talked a few times, he gave me an autograph and we’ve not spoken sense but in my mind we’re buds now.
 
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pimo1 said:
This, I think 1 more SEC gets a 1 seed and Houston or Purdue slide in and stela the last one. Purdue is in the best position. They play Michigan State then no one else of consequence until their conference tourney. Houston has a pretty bumpy ending but if they win out they will definitely be in play.

The SEC teams have to play each other then probably face each other again in the tourney.
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Oof.....that Purdue #1 Seed projection.
 
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#124
ABtheVolsfan92 said:
@Texas A&M is a big oppurtunity up ahead. It's a game that we don't have to have unless we truly want a 1 seed. Buzz schemed up a defense that shut us down last year, like really bothered us and bottled up Knecht and Ziegler. We need to somehow overcome that and their crowd which spooked us as well
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watched A&m last nite vs Ms St and they look horrible. Cannot shoot and about all they can do is rebound on both ends but they are not that big. They have three miracle wins on last second shots vs Vandy Ol Miss and Mizzou ie none of top echelon conference teams. The game should be a real rock fight as neither team is very good on offense. However, I am encouraged that we have a better chance at win after watching them last nite.
 
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#125
lefthander said:
watched A&m last nite vs Ms St and they look horrible. Cannot shoot and about all they can do is rebound on both ends but they are not that big. They have three miracle wins on last second shots vs Vandy Ol Miss and Mizzou ie none of top echelon conference teams. The game should be a real rock fight as neither team is very good on offense. However, I am encouraged that we have a better chance at win after watching them last nite.
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Based on our track record the Aggies will shoot lights out on Saturday. Wade Taylor IV will go for 30.
 
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