Pearl discussion (split)

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MinisterofDef#92 said:
This is demonstrably false...no sane person would try claim this was a "winning culture" but you've done it multiple times in this thread.

2010: 19-15 (Conf: 8-8) - Pearl's last yr
2011: 19-15 (10-6) - Conzo's 1st yr
2012: 20-13 (11-7)
2013: 24-13 (11-7)
2014: 16-16 (7-11) - Donnie's 1 and done yr
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I like how you left out 6 straight NCAA tournament appearances, 2 sweet 16, 1 Elite 8, 2 regular season championships, and an SEC Championship.
I got them in there for you though, Champ
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
I like how you left out 6 straight NCAA tournament appearances, 2 sweet 16, 1 Elite 8, 2 regular season championships, and an SEC Championship.
I got them in there for you though, Champ
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We didn't win 2 regular season championships under Pearl, we won 1. And I assume you mean an SEC Tournament Championship; we didn't win we lost.

You're like a real time Dunning-Kruger Effect; you are talking down to people like they are dumb yet you can't even get details you are bragging about right.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
I like how you left out 6 straight NCAA tournament appearances, 2 sweet 16, 1 Elite 8, 2 regular season championships, and an SEC Championship.
I got them in there for you though, Champ
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That wasn't your argument so don't move the goalposts champ...you said UT men's basketball had a wining culture and was a big reason we were able to get Barnes...we had what most people would call a dumpster fire.

Check my history champ...I have consistently given Pearl credit for what he accomplished on the court and I thoroughly enjoyed it at the time...until it ended because of his stupid decisions.

Edit: Is this Stephen's new burner account? A lot of this would suddenly make much more sense.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
We didn't win 2 regular season championships under Pearl, we won 1. And I assume you mean an SEC Tournament Championship; we didn't win we lost.

You're like a real time Dunning-Kruger Effect; you are talking down to people like they are dumb yet you can't even get details you are bragging about right.
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Meh, Google let me down. Happens.
His accomplishment here speak for themselves.
My overall argument stands just fine.

An example of Dunning-Kruger would be you and Thunder Oil not accepting what Rick Barnes and ESPN said in an article becauseit doesn't fit your narative. 😆
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
That wasn't your argument so don't move the goalposts champ...you said UT men's basketball had a wining culture and was a big reason we were able to get Barnes...we had what most people would call a dumpster fire.

Check my history champ...I have consistently given Pearl credit for what he accomplished on the court and I thoroughly enjoyed it at the time...until it ended because of his stupid decisions.

Edit: Is this Stephen's new burner account? A lot of this would suddenly make much more sense.
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Pearl did inspire a winning culture at Tennessee .
That happened. His accomplishments is the evidence for that. Don't know what else to tell ya
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Pearl did inspire a winning culture at Tennessee .
That happened. His accomplishments is the evidence for that. Don't know what else to tell ya
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So, if you are saying that Pearl showed a coach can win and be successful here then I agree 100% but that's not how your post(s) read as they seemed to claim we had a winning culture at the time CRB was approached with the oppy to coach here.
 
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EasternVol said:
The NIT was a big deal well into the 70's. I remember when VPI won it under Devoe.
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Texas Western (now UTEP) made history in 1966 with the first NCAA championship with an all-black lineup. Who won the NIT that year (clue: polar opposite dynamic)?
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Yep, that's for sure been part of my argument from the get go.
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
What Barnes did a lot of coaches did, he just got caught for it. That and lied about it, which as the say the cover up is often worse than the crime.

We didn't get a big name coach immediately after Pearl most likely becasue of the impeding sanctions.
Even so, the culture of winning here was still in the air. Getting to that elite 8 for the first time in program history gave our newly growing fanbase a nice taste of what it was like to be more than just a football school.
We liked it, and haven't really looked back since.

Even during Barnes' tenure, early on you had fans that have wanted to fire him based off of comparing his progress to Pearl’s overall success.
You even have had delusional fans in the most recent years that have let their britches get so big they wanted to fire Barnes for " lack of post-season" success. They even wanted to bring Pearl back! lol

Where do you think this new found demand/expectation for success came from?
I would submit to you it came directly from the "Bruce Pearl years".

Like I said originally, Barnes himself is going to deserve a ton of credit for exponentially building on what Pearl started if it happens to be the next coach that comes in that gets us our first final 4/Natty.

Surely one could see if that did happen that Barnes might just deserve a bit of a thanks from the new head coach?
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And I can agree with that part. Where you lose me and any reasonable person is when you try to make indefensible statements like the above ("culture of winning still in the air") which is demonstrably false as I showed and, frankly, odd. You've tied up multiple pages dying on that hill for some reason (Steven?).
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Do you not count NCAAT appearances if the team makes the round of 32, S16, EE, or FF? Pearl had 3x Sweet 16 appearances. Chief. You aren’t very good with facts.
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Not usually when I am listing like that.
Like I said, AI got that wrong, but if I had took the time to go to wiki and list them myself I would have listed the seasons separate.
I mean if a coach makes it to the final four in one year and that is all he has accomplished I'm not going to put down he made it to a 64, 32, 16, 8, and a 4. It can be a bit misleading. Putting the final four assumes the others.

But dude, we've got them listed now, and doesn'taffect my overall argument in the least . If your searching for some big W to offset the L you took this morning, this isn't it my friend.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Not usually when I am listing like that.
Like I said, AI got that wrong, but if I had took the time to go to wiki and list them myself I would have listed the seasons separate.
I mean if a coach makes it to the final four in one year and that is all he has accomplished I'm not going to put down he made it to a 64, 32, 16, 8, and a 4. Putting the final four assumes the others.

But dude, we've got them listed now, and doesn'taffect my overall argument in the least . If your searching for some big W to offset the L you took this morning, this isn't it my friend.
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Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. You’re chronically wrong. Post less.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. You’re chronically wrong. Post less.
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lol That's super ironic coming from the guy that emphatically said Barnes passed on UT because of Dickey and then refuses to accept Barnes's own words that it necessarily wasn't because of Dickey.
Denial indeed.
Post more, the wrongness provided gives me a smile.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
lol That's super ironic coming from the guy that emphatically said Barnes passed on UT because of Dickey and then refuses to accept Barnes's own words that it necessarily wasn't because of Dickey.
Denial indeed.
Post more, the wrongness provided gives me a smile.
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Barnes said that he “met with UT” according to your link that you either didn’t read or don’t understand. He didn’t even say that he INTERVIEWED for the job. He certainly didn’t “pass” on it. But keep running with your fiction.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
And I can agree with that part. Where you lose me and any reasonable person is when you try to make indefensible statements like the above ("culture of winning still in the air") which is demonstrably false as I showed and, frankly, odd. You've tied up multiple pages dying on that hill for some reason (Steven?).
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The culture Pearl brought never left just because we had a few bad coaching years.
Our fans stil had high expectations and a drive for success that was ingrained by Pearl.
Being mediocre in Basketball was and is no longer acceptable from Tennessee men's basketball. Things changed here at UT because of him.
Barnes is held to a higher standard because of Pearl’s success.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
The culture Pearl brought never left just because we had a few bad coaching years.
Our fans stil had high expectations and a drive for success that was ingrained by Pearl.
Being mediocre in Basketball was and is no longer acceptable from Tennessee men's basketball. Things changed here at UT because of him.
Barnes is held to a higher standard because of Pearl’s success.
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Now you're just taking the piss.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Barnes said that he “met with UT” according to your link that you either didn’t read or don’t understand. He didn’t even say that he INTERVIEWED for the job. He certainly didn’t “pass” on it. But keep running with your fiction.
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For Barnes, in his 10th season at Tennessee, things have come full circle. The Vols are the only team in the SEC to have won 25 or more games in each of the past four seasons. The school twice tried to hire Barnes when he was younger, the first time when he was at Providence and then again when he was at Clemson. He simply wasn't sold on the SEC's commitment to basketball.
When Tennessee fired Don DeVoe following the 1989 season, Barnes met with then-Tennessee athletic director Doug Dickey about the job. Barnes remembers telling journalist and close friend John Feinstein and Gavitt, who remained a mentor to Barnes until his death in 2011, about the Tennessee interview.
"They both said, 'You can't take that job. They don't care about basketball. You're already in a basketball league,'" Barnes said. "That was the perception, and it didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey. That's just where the league was. They were set on being the best football league in the country.
"Now there is an emphasis in this league to be the best in every sport, a tremendous amount of pride, and what's happened in basketball is unlike anything I ever thought I'd see in the SEC, not from where I grew up in the Carolinas."

The article says they tried to hire Barnes twice. He told ESPN he talked with 2 of their reporters about the job and they told him, "You can't take that job". At the VERY LEAST Barnes felt he was in the running for the job. Even if he wasn't officially offered the job (which you don't know btw) he wasn't going to take it because of how he felt about the league. He still felt that way the second time he was talked to about being hired at Tennessee/offered a job at Tennessee (doesn'tmatter in respect either way), and as a matter of fact, still felt that way when he finally took the chance on Tennessee in 2015. I think it's obvious the reporters said what they did because Barnes felt he was being offered the job. I have zero reason to doubt that, too.
Barnes's feelings on the SEC are just as obvious.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
For Barnes, in his 10th season at Tennessee, things have come full circle. The Vols are the only team in the SEC to have won 25 or more games in each of the past four seasons. The school twice tried to hire Barnes when he was younger, the first time when he was at Providence and then again when he was at Clemson. He simply wasn't sold on the SEC's commitment to basketball.
When Tennessee fired Don DeVoe following the 1989 season, Barnes met with then-Tennessee athletic director Doug Dickey about the job. Barnes remembers telling journalist and close friend John Feinstein and Gavitt, who remained a mentor to Barnes until his death in 2011, about the Tennessee interview.
"They both said, 'You can't take that job. They don't care about basketball. You're already in a basketball league,'" Barnes said. "That was the perception, and it didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey. That's just where the league was. They were set on being the best football league in the country.
"Now there is an emphasis in this league to be the best in every sport, a tremendous amount of pride, and what's happened in basketball is unlike anything I ever thought I'd see in the SEC, not from where I grew up in the Carolinas."

The article says they tried to hire Barnes twice. He told ESPN he talked with 2 of their reporters about the job and they told him, "You can't take that job". At the VERY LEAST Barnes felt he was in the running for the job. Even if he wasn't officially offered the job (which you don't know btw) he wasn't going to take it because of how he felt about the league. He still felt that way the second time he was talked to about being hired at Tennessee/offered a job at Tennessee (doesn'tmatter in respect either way), and as a matter of fact, still felt that way when he finally took the chance on Tennessee in 2015. I think it's obvious the reporters said what they did because Barnes felt he was being offered the job. I have zero reason to doubt that, too.
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The SEC was plenty good in basketball before 1989.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
The culture Pearl brought never left just because we had a few bad coaching years.
Our fans stil had high expectations and a drive for success that was ingrained by Pearl.
Being mediocre in Basketball was and is no longer acceptable from Tennessee men's basketball. Things changed here at UT because of him.
Barnes is held to a higher standard because of Pearl’s success.
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Mears started it. Sorry. You have no fing idea what you're talking about about
 
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