Pelosi visit to Taiwan

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hog88 said:
I wouldn't call them a paper tiger, they can still mass an Army the size we have never seen before and are not afraid to use human waves. They don't have the capability to deploy that Army very far but it's formidable in that area.
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In that area, sure. But the way some people talk about China is like they are afraid they are going to dice us up to pieces while sleeping comfortably in our beds at night.

China has a banking and internal financial system that is in horrible shape, horrible demographics, and they have the export-driven economy they do only via the global system the United States created after WWII and still maintains today.
 
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05_never_again said:
China is a paper tiger.

Some of the "freak out" statements made in here sound like people have bought CCP propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
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It's doubtful that the Chinese military is what most people believe it to be - except in numbers because there sure are a lot of them. The big issue is that we financed their military by our inability to see the Chinese industries as extensions of the CCP. The other is the Chinese investments around the world - strategic locations, and buying up strategic materials like minerals, ores, and farmland. It's like the oxygen masks that drop down in airplanes - we are the people who put them on somebody else first and screw ourselves. It's about time we start looking out for number one.
 
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VolStrom said:
What are they gonna do with that formidable army? I think we're very close to closing our ties to China and replacing their junk based economy with another low cost supplier.
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They could overrun much of Asia if they chose to.
 
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hog88 said:
They could overrun much of Asia if they chose to.
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Exactly, and look at how much of everything we buy from clothing to cars is manufactured from Malaysia right up through S Korea. We are in a very tenuous position because of that simple issue of numbers and proximity - a huge problem of our own making.
 
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It is still a Pax Americana world..with all our allies. The CCP has no one of any significance. But I think if the dollar becomes not the world currency reserve, then those friends we have won't be around in our need.
 
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AM64 said:
It's doubtful that the Chinese military is what most people believe it to be - except in numbers because there sure are a lot of them. The big issue is that we financed their military by our inability to see the Chinese industries as extensions of the CCP. The other is the Chinese investments around the world - strategic locations, and buying up strategic materials like minerals, ores, and farmland. It's like the oxygen masks that drop down in airplanes - we are the people who put them on somebody else first and screw ourselves. It's about time we start looking out for number one.
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Sure, they are doing that. The real question though is how does it stack up, overall, with what we've got?
 
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05_never_again said:
Sure, they are doing that. The real question though is how does it stack up, overall, with what we've got?
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China has some key positions, but they don't stack up well. For example they basically run (control?) the Panama Canal, have some strategic land around the Suez Canal, and those nasty manmade islands in the shipping lanes up through the S China Sea. It's doubtful they could hold any, but is anyone who takes those things away a savior or a pariah to the rest of the world? We visited Cuba a few years ago, and the Chinese have a significant presence there; it's doubtful that it would happen but you could see another version of the Cuban Missile Crisis with the CCP claiming "but you are backing Taiwan".
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm not sure we've played the hero wrt foreign policy much since ww2 ended. I think it's just easier to think of ourselves like that since some are worse
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When you're the writer of the story, you can paint yourself however you want.

That's my point.

We just killed the Al Qaeda terrorist leader with drone strike in a "sovereign " country ruled by the Taliban. A country we were supposedly run out of...remember?
Yet, when we need to do something there, we do as we please. Or anywhere else.

And now we've begun the systematic destruction of China and Russia.
- we're pushing China over an edge their too scared to truly jump over but have threatened to do for decades. While their economy is tanking not to mention India waiting for them to let their gaurd down.
And Japan, Australia, South Korea and the future country of Taiwan ..
- we used Russia to STRENGTHEN NATO, and add Finland and Sweden all the way getting a true scope of their military efficiency, and their true economic windfall.

Yes, the United States has been the writer of the story i would say. Not just the antagonist or protagonist.
 
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05_never_again said:
In that area, sure. But the way some people talk about China is like they are afraid they are going to dice us up to pieces while sleeping comfortably in our beds at night.

China has a banking and internal financial system that is in horrible shape, horrible demographics, and they have the export-driven economy they do only via the global system the United States created after WWII and still maintains today.
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If Xi has any type of brain he knows that an attack on us would directly result in his total demise. The Chinese economy would totally shatter, he would face revolution and his own ouster very quickly. He would lose his Air force and Navy to U.S. counter strikes. The only thing he can do is try to intimidate.
 
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AM64 said:
China has some key positions, but they don't stack up well. For example they basically run (control?) the Panama Canal, have some strategic land around the Suez Canal, and those nasty manmade islands in the shipping lanes up through the S China Sea. It's doubtful they could hold any, but is anyone who takes those things away a savior or a pariah to the rest of the world? We visited Cuba a few years ago, and the Chinese have a significant presence there; it's doubtful that it would happen but you could see another version of the Cuban Missile Crisis with the CCP claiming "but you are backing Taiwan".
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They stack up horribly relative to the United States and its allies. I guess as Americans we have a skewed perspective, since we don't know any different, but I don't think most Americans know just how dominant the United States's geostrategic positioning is.

I couldn't care less that the Chinese "own" the Panama Canal (they actually don't). If they tried to pull some stunt there, let's see how long that would last. That's what I mean by my "paper tiger" comment - they do/have a variety of things that sound superficially impressive, or seem like a serious threat, but practically speaking are neither.
 
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