Pelosi visit to Taiwan

[McDad]

@McDad would hit all three of you for a couple grand and a tetanus shot.

Tetanus shot optional!

 

[hog88]

Tetanus shot optional!

Tetanus would be the least of your worries....

 

[0nelilreb]

Oh jeez.

I agree with you here Clearwater , everybody knows Nans husband is chinas biggest asset . Can we prove that it was Nan on that plane and not Paul ? I’m going to need pics of Nan getting off that plane with proof of life type evidence .

 

[Orangeburst]

How is Swallwell not kicked off any committees?

 

[UT_VOLS13]

How is Swallwell not kicked off any committees?

He is a Democrat.

 

[Orangeburst]

He is a Democrat.

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[el Jeffe]

I don’t know about anybody else but most things I have that were made in China either fall apart, break or never work right to begin with. Now take that lack of quality and apply it to their military equipment. They have been allowed to steal our technology for decades now but they still lack the ability to translate that tech into durable hardware. Their new “stealth” aircraft look very much like our F-22 and F-35 but they do not perform at a 5th generation level. The chicoms have always copied other country’s military equipment, from the AKs to J-20 they have copied Russian or American designs. But those copies are lacking just like the screw driver you bought from Harbor Frieght last week.

 

[AM64]

They stack up horribly relative to the United States and its allies. I guess as Americans we have a skewed perspective, since we don't know any different, but I don't think most Americans know just how dominant the United States's geostrategic positioning is.

I couldn't care less that the Chinese "own" the Panama Canal (they actually don't). If they tried to pull some stunt there, let's see how long that would last. That's what I mean by my "paper tiger" comment - they do/have a variety of things that sound superficially impressive, or seem like a serious threat, but practically speaking are neither.

Most of China's "bases" around the world are superficial. However, China's military size and proximity to the places that build so much of what the rest of the world uses is a real threat. Look at what Japan accomplished in WW2 - and they didn't have the land or strategic resources that China has in the region of real concern. We face long logistic lines and overly complex military systems. The availability rate for a lot of AF planes is abysmal, and carriers are looking a lot like sitting ducks these days. There's that old saying about getting there "the fastest with the mostest", and in Asia China wins that part because they are there - not across an ocean, and there are a lot of them.

The weak link for China as with most totalitarian governments is when do the people want freedom. Remember we fought a protracted battle in Korea and later a longer one in SE Asia with far less capable militaries; one was a win or a draw depending on perspective and the other was a loss. Too many wars are wars of attrition, and China has a lot going in that struggle. More importantly is whether we can produce the necessary military hardware if key allies like S Korea or Taiwan were occupied because car manufacturers couldn't pump out cars because of chip shortages - we don't produce a lot of stuff like steel, more exotic metals, rare earth materials for many applications, etc. Without nuclear annihilation, are we or the Chinese the real paper tigers? I certainly can't see the current US population handling the privations and shortages like the WW2 generations.

 

[Velo Vol]

Provocation.

 

[AM64]

I don’t know about anybody else but most things I have that were made in China either fall apart, break or never work right to begin with. Now take that lack of quality and apply it to their military equipment. They have been allowed to steal our technology for decades now but they still lack the ability to translate that tech into durable hardware. Their new “stealth” aircraft look very much like our F-22 and F-35 but they do not perform at a 5th generation level. The chicoms have always copied other country’s military equipment, from the AKs to J-20 they have copied Russian or American designs. But those copies are lacking just like the screw driver you bought from Harbor Frieght last week.

True, but can our few exotic and extremely expensive military toys - the ones that are hard to keep operating without extended logistic lines going to beat a whole lot of Chinese knockoffs? And where will they operate from? Taiwan is extremely vulnerable, Okinawa is better, but it's a small place. Guam is a long haul. Korea is risky, and carriers look like targets. The true chink in the armor when it comes down to a lot of wars is choke points whether mountain passes, river crossings, or ocean beachheads .... and there's always the logistic nightmare when oceans come into play.

 

[Orangeburst]

True, but can our few exotic and extremely expensive military toys - the ones that are hard to keep operating without extended logistic lines going to beat a whole lot of Chinese knockoffs? And where will they operate from? Taiwan is extremely vulnerable, Okinawa is better, but it's a small place. Guam is a long haul. Korea is risky, and carriers look like targets. The true chink in the armor when it comes down to a lot of wars is choke points whether mountain passes, river crossings, or ocean beachheads .... and there's always the logistic nightmare when oceans come into play.

Logistics win wars. Of course we gave away the ability to be self sufficient in logistics to this very nation. Fighting the CCP in Taiwanese waters is a loser. F=M*A. They would eat our lunch, of course as it ever expanded, they would be less effective just like Imperial Japan.
I am rather shocked honestly that Russia is having such a difficult time in Ukraine, hence their territorial ambitions of invading a NATO nation are ridiculous atp..

 

[LittleVol]

We should have recognized Taiwan as a separate country years ago and told the CCP to "suck it".

I don't know about that.
They have helped balance the world economy in the past 15 years.
They are the best in advancing infrastructure in a rapid fashion in the world.

For the world to be a better...brighter place.
China just needs to adopt Taiwans ways hahaha.

It would be an absolute travesty for the world to lose the innovation and growth capacity of China.

 

[AM64]

Logistics win wars. Of course we gave away the ability to be self sufficient in logistics to this very nation. Fighting the CCP in Taiwanese waters is a loser. F=M*A. They would eat our lunch, of course as it ever expanded, they would be less effective just like Imperial Japan.
I am rather shocked honestly that Russia is having such a difficult time in Ukraine, hence their territorial ambitions of invading a NATO nation are ridiculous atp..

A Chinese landing on Taiwan is still a risky proposition. Probably all about whether they can land enough people quickly enough to reach "critical mass". That's never been easy, but with something approaching 1.5B people for cannon fodder, it probably comes down to the shipping and air drops ... and allies keeping Taiwan supplied with knockout tools. If Taiwan winds up with a great starting lineup and lack of depth, they will eventually lose.

 

[0nelilreb]

I don’t know about anybody else but most things I have that were made in China either fall apart, break or never work right to begin with. Now take that lack of quality and apply it to their military equipment. They have been allowed to steal our technology for decades now but they still lack the ability to translate that tech into durable hardware. Their new “stealth” aircraft look very much like our F-22 and F-35 but they do not perform at a 5th generation level. The chicoms have always copied other country’s military equipment, from the AKs to J-20 they have copied Russian or American designs. But those copies are lacking just like the screw driver you bought from Harbor Frieght last week.

 

[LittleVol]

Guys. I haven't seen anyone talk about this.

Would China EVER let another high ranking official visit a foreign country under this type of situation. That situation in this scenario that President Xi Jinping "recommending" publicly for that said official to not visit?
Answer= HELL NO.

Pelosi going to Taiwan..under this precedent accomplishes so many things:
1) In a democratic society- a different branch of government- can act on decisions without the executive branch aligned with it. This is BLASPHEMOUS to China and we have just flaunted our SUPERIOR philosophy to the world in front of them and against them.

2) There was no "leak" haha. What if Pelosi did sneak in and then out of Taiwan ? That wouldn't have looked good. So they orchestrated it as leaked info. Then let China show their butt and cast threats FIRST...then went ANYWAY. Why? To show that not only do we have more sensibility at the surface, but that we will call your bluff and if you try to fight we fully expect to win anyway...

3) Power is projected in MANY ways. A few ways just mentioned above. But what about us killing the Al Queda leader in Taliban controlled Afghanistan? We struck from the sky who we wanted, and never had to send one infantry guy. Seems REALLY coincidental that we send our FEMALE speaker of the House- 3rd ranked official in government- to speak with Taiwan that same time frame. Once again protecting and projecting our power of influence whenever and wherever we deem it to. We showed the world we can go where we want, kill who we need to, AND allow its citizens a sense of limitless freedoms.

Are we the police of the world? Yeah...until we're not.. It's not a matter of right or wrong...
It's about what an entity CAN or CANNOT do.
Old as time...

 

[Orangeburst]

A Chinese landing on Taiwan is still a risky proposition. Probably all about whether they can land enough people quickly enough to reach "critical mass". That's never been easy, but with something approaching 1.5B people for cannon fodder, it probably comes down to the shipping and air drops ... and allies keeping Taiwan supplied with knockout tools. If Taiwan winds up with a great starting lineup and lack of depth, they will eventually lose.

I give the Taiwanese a 0% chance..Just too close to mainland while support is an ocean away. Tiny island against 1.3B, no close proximity any allies, even with American full scale support is the biggest military loser I have ever seen.

 

[Velo Vol]

Are we the police of the world? Yeah...until we're not.. It's not a matter of right or wrong...
It's about what an entity CAN or CANNOT do.

We can only project as much power as the American public is willing to support.

 

[Orangeburst]

I wanna see the carbon footprint of this visit.

 

[el Jeffe]

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The more applicable phrase would be to never get into a war you do not have the will to win. Korea and Vietnam are the most popular examples of this and Afghanistan is the most recent. We could have won all three had we had the political courage to do so. For example, the Linebacker II campaign was the first and only time the almost full weight of our military airpower was unleashed on the north. The B-52 strikes brought the north to its knees in 11 days and according to General Giap they were near surrendering. But Nixon and Kissinger were happy that they were finally willing to negotiate an end to the war.

War is a brutal, nasty and violent endeavor. It is criminal for any politician to commit American blood and treasure to a conflict without the will to let our military off the leash To win said conflict overwhelmingly, quickly and permanently.

 

[Vol423]

I don't know about that.
They have helped balance the world economy in the past 15 years.
They are the best in advancing infrastructure in a rapid fashion in the world.

For the world to be a better...brighter place.
China just needs to adopt Taiwans ways hahaha.

It would be an absolute travesty for the world to lose the innovation and growth capacity of China.

Have we identified the CCP equivalent of Ras?

 

[el Jeffe]

Logistics win wars. Of course we gave away the ability to be self sufficient in logistics to this very nation. Fighting the CCP in Taiwanese waters is a loser. F=M*A. They would eat our lunch, of course as it ever expanded, they would be less effective just like Imperial Japan.
I am rather shocked honestly that Russia is having such a difficult time in Ukraine, hence their territorial ambitions of invading a NATO nation are ridiculous atp..

The Russians and the Chinese cannot endure the onslaught of American military power, no nation on earth excepting Israel could. What you are seeing in the Ukraine is the same thing you would see with a direct conflict between us and either of them. In fact, Russian equipment is much more effective than the chicoms. When you are using slave labor to manufacture your arms, you will always have inferior armaments.

Concerning logistics, we won’t have issues there. We have always fought overseas.

 

[happy-go_vol]

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[Orangeburst]

The Russians and the Chinese cannot endure the onslaught of American military power, no nation on earth excepting Israel could. What you are seeing in the Ukraine is the same thing you would see with a direct conflict between us and either of them. In fact, Russian equipment is much more effective than the chicoms. When you are using slave labor to manufacture your arms, you will always have inferior armaments.

Concerning logistics, we won’t have issues there. We have always fought overseas.

Logistics in the PacRim against territorial ambitions of a 1.3B adversary 90 miles away from their target?
That is a loser, no matter how good ones logs

 

[Jxn Vol]

Why did we send an 82yo alcoholic to Taiwan?

 

[el Jeffe]

Why did we send an 82yo alcoholic to Taiwan?

To give ourselves a break from her.