Penn State scandal (merged)

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tvolsfan said:
You can't really believe that.
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You really have that kind of faith in people. I'm not saying this again after this... Bystander effect. Look it up. That is worse than joe pa. You and everyone else act like joe pa saw it happen. He didn't. He has no credible information to provide to law enforcement except the name mike mcqueary.
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utvols88 said:
Tell their boss based off of someone else and not one's own witness? Yes. If Joe Pa witnessed it then I share your thoughts. But he didn't. Absurdity is wreaking from you with an expectation of a nonwitness to make sure something happens to a person who he never actually saw do anything.
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This week I had a student in my class tell me that another student, at the first students house, said that the other student was going to bring a gun to school and put a cap in his ***. I took him to the principal and it was investagated
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utvols88 said:
99.99% of America wouldn't follow up like that. Get real. Like I mentioned before, when the bystander effect is a main topic amongst criminal justice course, it's clear that this requirement for moral obligation is a little exaggerated in accordance to reality.
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99%? I hope we haven't become a country of cowards like you are suggesting
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Oldvol75 said:
What a different world you live in if you don't know what you'd do! Sad !
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OK, you may be the exception to the rule. Dont know and I'm not challenging your ethics or standards, my point is this......dozens and dozens and dozens of people have jumped into this thread claiming to know every detail of what everybody knew, and further claiming that THEY would have reported the 2002 incident directly to the police. Now, you must know that is total bull-****!

The fact is that its pretty common for people to claim they would do this or that without the proper perspective or empathy for the individuals involved. Nobody, except you of course, knows what they would have done if they had actually been Joe Paterno or the GA McQueary.
 
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pl3 said:
It's not in mine. Raping a child, specifically a young boy by a mentor, is extra sick. Rape is sick. Child molestation ups the sickness level quite a bit. You're blind if you can't see that.
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I think rape of an adult is just as bad as rape of a child.
 
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therealUT said:
Case studies regarding eye-witnesses of rapes and murders have demonstrated that many a surprising percentage of individuals neither step in to help nor report all type of heinous acts.

I would not be surprised by individuals not following up after reporting crimes.
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Doesnt make it right because others are cowards
 
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utvols88 said:
99.99% of America wouldn't follow up like that. Get real. Like I mentioned before, when the bystander effect is a main topic amongst criminal justice course, it's clear that this requirement for moral obligation is a little exaggerated in accordance to reality.
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Then 99.99% of all Americans are pathetic bastards that don't realize that if the perpetrator isn't stopped then other innocent lives will be irreparably damaged by the bastard on the loose.
 
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lylsmorr said:
99%? I hope we haven't become a country of cowards like you are suggesting
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People would report but no one follows up in the way you expect. It's an "out of my hands" theory. You "move on" because you trust the people in charge will/have done something that was appropriate. Perhaps he took the lack of action as inefficient evidence. I don't know. I'm not paterno. But I stick with what I said.
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utvols88 said:
Tell their boss based off of someone else and not one's own witness? Yes. If Joe Pa witnessed it then I share your thoughts. But he didn't. Absurdity is wreaking from you with an expectation of a nonwitness to make sure something happens to a person who he never actually saw do anything.
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Such a copout and doesn't take the full circumstance into account. That's absurd. Hop in with your 3 buddies in the fox hole. You guys deserve each other.
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ItsDarwinism said:
OK, you may be the exception to the rule. Dont know and I'm not challenging your ethics or standards, my point is this......dozens and dozens and dozens of people have jumped into this thread claiming to know every detail of what everybody knew, and further claiming that THEY would have reported the 2002 incident directly to the police. Now, you must know that is total bull-****!

The fact is that its pretty common for people to claim they would do this or that without the proper perspective or empathy for the individuals involved. Nobody, except you of course, knows what they would have done if they had actually been Joe Paterno or the GA McQueary.
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It comes with actually knowing what's right and what is wrong. Nothing more, nothing less. If you have to sit and think about what to do, then there's a problem.
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hmanvolfan said:
Then 99.99% of all Americans are pathetic bastards that don't realize that if the perpetrator isn't stopped then other innocent lives will be irreparably damaged by the bastard on the loose.
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It's not that cut and dry. I'm curious to see any new info in the next week.
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pl3 said:
Such a copout and doesn't take the full circumstance into account. That's absurd. Hop in with your 3 buddies in the fox hole. You guys deserve each other.
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Full circumstance? You don't know the full circumstance. AT ALL. You think you do but you don't. Stop acting like you have more info on the matter than ESPN or CNN.
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utvols88 said:
You really have that kind of faith in people. I'm not saying this again after this... Bystander effect. Look it up. That is worse than joe pa. You and everyone else act like joe pa saw it happen. He didn't. He has no credible information to provide to law enforcement except the name mike mcqueary.
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Joe knew what mcqueary knew - A child was raped. Joe had just as much obligation to report this as mcqueary, the AD, campus polce...everyone who knew.
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therealUT said:
Case studies regarding eye-witnesses of rapes and murders have demonstrated that many a surprising percentage of individuals neither step in to help nor report all type of heinous acts.

I would not be surprised by individuals not following up after reporting crimes.
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How many case studies can you find and use as a collective that showed people avoiding exposing child rape by a non-relative and witnessed by a non-relative.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Then 99.99% of all Americans are pathetic bastards that don't realize that if the perpetrator isn't stopped then other innocent lives will be irreparably damaged by the bastard on the loose.
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Again if joe pa saw it happen you have a point. Most of the arguments fit better against Mike McQueary. Not joe pa.
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I can't believe people are saying that no one would follow up. This is supposed to be a long time friend of his. It's not something you just forget.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
It comes with actually knowing what's right and what is wrong. Nothing more, nothing less. If you have to sit and think about what to do, then there's a problem.
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No, its called perspective.

I don't have to ponder what is right and wrong in this case, but I'm not so stupid to think that I know exactly what I would have done if I was the GA in question, or Joe Paterno. I don't, and respectfully, neither do you.
 
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@CNBCbrk: Joe Paterno has hired a prominent Washington criminal defense lawyer to represent him in the Penn State sex abuse case - NBC
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utvols88 said:
Full circumstance? You don't know the full circumstance. AT ALL. You think you do but you don't. Stop acting like you have more info on the matter than ESPN or CNN.
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Let's be honest we all have a a better grasp of the situation than ESPN.
 
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therealUT said:
I think rape of an adult is just as bad as rape of a child.
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Very few people, if they were truthful, would agree with that. You mean to tell me you don't think sandusky is any more sick than a dude that raped a stripper in a parking lot? I can't fathom that thought process.
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therealUT said:
Case studies regarding eye-witnesses of rapes and murders have demonstrated that many a surprising percentage of individuals neither step in to help nor report all type of heinous acts.

I would not be surprised by individuals not following up after reporting crimes.
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You're right about the case studies. But an individual in authority over such a huge group of people would have to take action after thinking about the ponderance of the information after thinking it over for a couple of days at least.
 
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