Penn State scandal (merged)

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pl3 said:
This isn't nyc and a stranger seeing someone in an alley. Why can't you understand the difference? Do a bystander study of watching a coach rape a child in a college locker room and get back to me on the results.

Get out of the book and try to think an original thought of common sense.
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Lol the guy deeming cop out is now going "this isn't NYC" no ****. It doesn't only exist in NYC. It's real. I'm spewing the bystander effect to show you that it is ridiculous for people to follow up when they can barely report the damn thing to begin with.
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utvols88 said:
No. McQueary saw it and passed a paraphrase to joe pa which details of this paraphrase remain unknown. Mike McQueary is the real coward here. He watches as joe pa is crusified on behalf of his own failings.
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I disagree. McQueary is a young GA that is scared and doesn't know what the hell to do (although he should). Paterno is the head of a legendary, massive football program that has dealt with huge numbers of people and incidents over a long career. In my opinion he should've had the temerity to see to it that this crap got stopped forever with the people involved. While he's not involved as a perpetrator or witness, he sure as hell had a responsibility to see to it that the crimes occurring under his watch were dealt with and the criminal involved was put away, even if it was his long time assistant.
 
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therealUT said:
I would not be too quick to label them cowards. David Grossman goes into the psychology of this type of thing in either "On Killing" or "On Combat". Basically, according to Grossman, either through nurture or nature, you are predisposed to be either a Sheep, a Sheepdog, or a Wolf. A great majority are predisposed to be sheep; only tiny minorities are sheepdogs and wolves.

Sheepdogs and wolfs, though diabolically opposed, can understand each other. They are both actors and use aggression to accomplish their purpose. Neither sheepdogs nor wolves can understand sheep.

That said, society requires sheep and, since Wolves are around, also requires sheepdogs; the sheep should no more look down upon the dogs than the dogs should look down on the sheep. They both have essential roles to fill in society.
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I am well aware of Dr. Grossman. Met him in person. Very smart man

The bolded line to be exact

He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
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hmanvolfan said:
I disagree. McQueary is a young GA that is scared and doesn't know what the hell to do (although he should). Paterno is the head of a legendary, massive football program that has dealt with huge numbers of people and incidents over a long career. In my opinion he should've had the temerity to see to it that this crap got stopped forever with the people involved. While he's not involved as a perpetrator or witness, he sure as hell had a responsibility to see to it that the crimes occurring under his watch were dealt with and the criminal involved was put away, even if it was his long time assistant.
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McQueary was 28 at the time.
 
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BeecherVol said:
As apposed to the entire upper admins being fired as well as a 46 year legendary coach for not doing anything?
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Listen. No one is agreeing with not calling police. My belief is this: mike McQueary saw it happen and should have called police. Not joe pa. Not the AD. McQueary. I think he should be in Joe Pas shoes right now. If Joe Pa gets fired then everyone should. Period.
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hmanvolfan said:
I disagree. McQueary is a young GA that is scared and doesn't know what the hell to do (although he should). Paterno is the head of a legendary, massive football program that has dealt with huge numbers of people and incidents over a long career. In my opinion he should've had the temerity to see to it that this crap got stopped forever with the people involved. While he's not involved as a perpetrator or witness, he sure as hell had a responsibility to see to it that the crimes occurring under his watch were dealt with and the criminal involved was put away, even if it was his long time assistant.
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28 isn't an age where youth can be used.
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utvols88 said:
Why would I ? That's not related to this. That would be of joe pa was standing there while it was happening.
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No, it would be if he was told of the crime by somebody that did witness it directly. Thus the association. Think about your responses a little before starting to type.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
I know exactly what I would do! I would have done my best to stop it a rescue the child. Just because you don't know what to do shows alot! You can't possibly have children or you wouldn't even think twice about what to do! Those psychology books don't always have the best answer.
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Like I said. you are the exception to the rule.

And yes I have kids and if I had been Mqueary I think I believe I know what I would have done, hard to say though since I'm not and wasnt there, and was not employed by Penn State. Likewise, I am not Joe Paterno so I dont know exactly what I would have done. At 74 years old and having resided within the PSU family for 50 years I may have believed, as it appears he did, that reporting it to the administration was what I was supposed to do.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
I disagree. McQueary is a young GA that is scared and doesn't know what the hell to do (although he should). Paterno is the head of a legendary, massive football program that has dealt with huge numbers of people and incidents over a long career. In my opinion he should've had the temerity to see to it that this crap got stopped forever with the people involved. While he's not involved as a perpetrator or witness, he sure as hell had a responsibility to see to it that the crimes occurring under his watch were dealt with and the criminal involved was put away, even if it was his long time assistant.
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So you're giving the actual witness a pass for not doing the same thing you are crusifying Joe Pa, not a witness, for?
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therealUT said:
He is indeed very smart. By "aggression" I was not saying that sheepdogs harm sheep; I was saying that they use aggression to keep the wolves at bay.
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I would like to spend a day just talking to the man. I talked to him 30 minutes and I left that conversion feeling smarter than I was
 
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hmanvolfan said:
No, it would be if he was told of the crime by somebody that did witness it directly. Thus the association. Think about your responses a little before starting to type.
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You want me to think about my responses when you endorse the witness not following up on his accusation or going to police? Right. Double standards are double.
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ItsDarwinism said:
Like I said. you are the exception to the rule.

And yes I have kids and if I had been Mqueary I think I believe I know what I would have done, hard to say though since I'm not and wasnt there, and was not employed by Penn State. Likewise, I am not Joe Paterno so I dont know exactly what I would have done. At 74 years old and having resided within the PSU family for 50 years I may have believed, as it appears he did, that reporting it to the administration was what I was supposed to do.
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To be honest I pray that I'm not the exception to the rule. If I am, then this nation is farther down the tube than I want to believe.
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utvols88 said:
Listen. No one is agreeing with not calling police. My belief is this: mike McQueary saw it happen and should have called police. Not joe pa. Not the AD. McQueary. I think he should be in Joe Pas shoes right now. If Joe Pa gets fired then everyone should. Period.
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+1

McQueary wasn't some wet behind the ears GA. He was 28 years old. Second thing he should have done, after kicking the crap out of Sandusky, is call the police. He didn't even go to Paterno first:

Whether McQueary should keep his job is certainly debatable. But more bewildering his why, after saying he witnessed Sandusky assault a young boy in the Penn State showers in 2002, did he not stop the alleged abuse, let alone call the police.

Instead, McQueary, who was 28 at the time, called his father, who went to Paterno and reported the incident. Paterno notified the athletic director, Tim Curley, and a vice president, Gary Schultz, who in turn notified president Graham Spanier.
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utvols88 said:
Listen. No one is agreeing with not calling police. My belief is this: mike McQueary saw it happen and should have called police. Not joe pa. Not the AD. McQueary. I think he should be in Joe Pas shoes right now. If Joe Pa gets fired then everyone should. Period.
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If what is currently out is true, I agree on MM.
 
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utvols88 said:
So you're giving the actual witness a pass for not doing the same thing you are crusifying Joe Pa, not a witness, for?
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Not at all. This argument is obviously going over some folks heads and I can't continue to make it all night. McQueary is culpable obviously and I have stated as such. He was in way over his head, although he should've reported the crime to law enforcement. Clear so far? Paterno is the top of the food chain and was told about what happened by an eye witness. Right? It was his obligation to see to it that these crimes were reported to law enforcement, if not only to save his legacy at the university, but to make sure there would be no more victims of the ******* raping children.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Not at all. This argument is obviously going over some folks heads and I can't continue to make it all night. McQueary is culpable obviously and I have stated as such. He was in way over his head, although he should've reported the crime to law enforcement. Clear so far? Paterno is the top of the food chain and was told about what happened by an eye witness. Right? It was his obligation to see to it that these crimes were reported to law enforcement, if not only to save his legacy at the university, but to make sure there would be no more victims of the ******* raping children.
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The story is that the father told paterno. That would be hear say at that point. My outrage is with the McQueary guy getting a pass in all this scrutiny and Joe Pa taking it up the ass for something he isn't even the second worse person in.
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utvols88 said:
You want me to think about my responses when you endorse the witness not following up on his accusation or going to police? Right. Double standards are double.
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Are you kidding me? Me endorsing any witness not going to the police or seeing to it they were notified of the crime? What grade level are you reading on now? Will you be in high school soon?
 
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