Penn State scandal (merged)

#376
#376
shyster said:
I'm sorry but I don't see how Joe Pa fulfilled his legal obligation under the quoted statute. The staff member reported the abuse to his superior, in this case Joe Pa, and the obligation was on him to report. To say that he fulfilled his obligation by reporting to the Ad, when brought to its ultimate conclusion, would result in only the president of State U being responsible to report, a consequence the statute never intended. Joe PA, as HEAD COACH, has the responsibility to report when HIS STAFF reports the abuse to him.
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It would obviously come down to whether Joe Pa is considered a staff member or someone up the chain in the context of the statute.
 
#377
#377
LawVol13 said:
It would obviously come down to whether Joe Pa is considered a staff member or someone up the chain in the context of the statute.
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You would think that the guy who hired him and had the power to fire him would be considered up the chain of command.
 
#378
#378
WesternKyVol said:
You would think that the guy who hired him and had the power to fire him would be considered up the chain of command.
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I would think so, yes. I still don't believe I'd bother with this failure to report stuff. I think the people involved should be hammered, and this failure to report statute would simply be a slap on the wrist. I'm not joking; I'd charge all of them with conspiracy to commit child rape.
 
#379
#379
Velo Vol said:
I thought they took his keys away?
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Just adds to the dumpster fire this has become. Penn State has f'ed this up in every way possible.

I really feel sorry for all of the great people from what used to be a great University, they don't deserve to have this associated with them.
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#380
#380
Domestic Silence said:
Just adds to the dumpster fire this has become. Penn State has f'ed this up in every way possible.

I really feel sorry for all of the great people from what used to be a great University, they don't deserve to have this associated with them.
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your right for the majority of Alumni, facility and administration

but Joe Pa needs to be fired
 
#381
#381
I can't believe Joe Pa is still there! He's gotta GO!!! This whole situation just sickens me somebody shoulda whooped Sanduskys ass!
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#382
#382
Domestic Silence said:
Just adds to the dumpster fire this has become. Penn State has f'ed this up in every way possible.

I really feel sorry for all of the great people from what used to be a great University, they don't deserve to have this associated with them.
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If the old bastard would have told the AD, which he did, and immediately revoked Sandusky all privileges and access to the campus facilities, then I would have maybe been on the old bastards side a bit. But he didn't, and should have reported it to the cops. And McCreary is a puss.
 
#383
#383
ESPN legal analyst Roger Cossack (sp?) was on Mike and Mike this morning and touched on this very topic. He said that Joe Paterno did what was required of him in a strictly legal aspect, and would not have been required to do more. The main reasoning behind this was because Joe Pa did not physically observe the actions taking place, and the allegations were only hearsay (albeit hearsay from an eyewitness account, hearsay nonetheless). If he had seen the assault taking place with his own eyes, then he would have been legally obligated to inform the police.
 
#384
#384
And for the record, I think Joe Pa should be terminated immediately. As for Sandusky...I hope they have a special place in hell for him.
 
#386
#386
I imagine that more kids are going to come forward. When you read about each 8 victims, this man was extremely bold so it for sure wasn't his first couple of times around the hen house. He's probably done this to multiple kids that are embarrased to step forward. I'm not up to par on my legal"ness" but being a major part of that charity, doesn't that place him in an authority role? I thought you got hit harder being classified in a position like that.

This seriously disturbs me. The assistant coach went into detail talking about how he could hear rythmic, slapping sounds and knew it was something of sexual nature. Walked in and seen a little boy pressed up against the wall. That's horrible. And he's messing with kids as young as 8 or 9.

As much as Joe Pa's done for the game and that program, I would hate to think he ruined that image by not stepping forward.
 
#387
#387
GreatWhiteNorth said:
ESPN legal analyst Roger Cossack (sp?) was on Mike and Mike this morning and touched on this very topic. He said that Joe Paterno did what was required of him in a strictly legal aspect, and would not have been required to do more. The main reasoning behind this was because Joe Pa did not physically observe the actions taking place, and the allegations were only hearsay (albeit hearsay from an eyewitness account, hearsay nonetheless). If he had seen the assault taking place with his own eyes, then he would have been legally obligated to inform the police.
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He did just enough to wash his hands of it, nobody disputes that. He's still a POS that enabled this to continue to happen for years.
 
#388
#388
TXA&M07 said:
Then Pa district attorney's office is dropping the ball.
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No, not true. As a PA attorney myself, the PA Attorney General has charged exactly what the law permits them to charge. Conspiracy and all that crap is not applicable law in this matter, the case would never make it to Court, because the charges would be dropped, because they do not apply to this case. Conspiracy you need an explicit agreement between all parties, that is not existent here.

Joe Paterno wand Graham Spanier must go. I am confident they will. I would be surpruised if Spanier makes it past the Friday Board of Trustees meeting which Governor Corbett is attending.

Pressure has ramped up even more so today. One of the most respect newspaper in the sate, Harrisburg Patriot, called on Paterno and Spanier to resign today, editorial right on the front page. Here is the link

OUR VIEW: Penn State's Graham Spanier, Joe Paterno need to leave as result of Jerry Sandusky case. Doing what the law required wasn't enough | PennLive.com
 
#389
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shyster said:
I'm sorry but I don't see how Joe Pa fulfilled his legal obligation under the quoted statute. The staff member reported the abuse to his superior, in this case Joe Pa, and the obligation was on him to report. To say that he fulfilled his obligation by reporting to the Ad, when brought to its ultimate conclusion, would result in only the president of State U being responsible to report, a consequence the statute never intended. Joe PA, as HEAD COACH, has the responsibility to report when HIS STAFF reports the abuse to him.
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No, not true. The Head Football Coach has a superior, and that superior is the AD. Legal obligation completed. Now, what Spanier knew and did not know is want I want to know. Because, ultimately, Spanier is at the very top, and if he knew, then the legal obligation fell to him.
 
#391
#391
Domestic Silence said:
Just adds to the dumpster fire this has become. Penn State has f'ed this up in every way possible.

I really feel sorry for all of the great people from what used to be a great University, they don't deserve to have this associated with them.
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Thank you. As an Alum, I am disgusted, humiliated, and angry as hell. No one can possibly understand what I, as a Penn State Alum feels.

I bleed orange and white, have since I was a little boy, and will always, but my education was at Penn State and that means alot to me. I feel like these idiots pissed on my degree and ignored these poor children just to protect the football program's repuation. What about the reputation of the academic institution? What about these poor, innocent vicitims. Since when does football trump that? That is where the crime lies. As far as Sandusky, I am not concerned. The Pennsylvania judicial system will punish him the rest of his life. But the cover up, the cover up is simply intolerable. Covering up NCAA recruiting violations is one thing. Covering up child sexual abuse can not be defended in any logical or rational manner. Ever!
 
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#392
GreatWhiteNorth said:
ESPN legal analyst Roger Cossack (sp?) was on Mike and Mike this morning and touched on this very topic. He said that Joe Paterno did what was required of him in a strictly legal aspect, and would not have been required to do more. The main reasoning behind this was because Joe Pa did not physically observe the actions taking place, and the allegations were only hearsay (albeit hearsay from an eyewitness account, hearsay nonetheless). If he had seen the assault taking place with his own eyes, then he would have been legally obligated to inform the police.
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Correct. There is a significant legal distinction between witnessing an event and heresay.

Nonetheless, what Joe Paterno supporters refuse to see is, even with Paterno in the legal clear, he has LOST THE ABILITY TO MORALLY AND ETHICALLY lead the football program. Period.
 
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#395
#395
TXA&M07 said:
Depends on how the media handles it. It's up to ESPN at this juncture.

And they're real classy bunch sometimes.
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As revered as Paterno is in PA, a Philly Inquirer poll taken Sunday night revealed 78.5% of Pennsylvanians think Paterno should leave immediately. That tells me the legacy is already unraveling.
 
#397
#397
Former Penn State Linebacker Lavar Arrington shared his thoughts.

http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2011/11/lavar_arrington_speaks_his_min.html

"I always saw [Sandusky] giving back, I always saw him as being a part of the community, I always saw him working with kids and caring about them,'' Arrington said on his radio program. Arrington is married with four kids.
"So when I heard about this information, when all of these allegations hit … it totally, and when I say totally, it totally took me off-guard. I was moved to tears. I looked at my children.''
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and this is what many of us don't understand about the graduate assistant. I know I don't.

"I know Mike [McQueary]. Mike was my quarterback,'' Arrington said.
"I know him. So I'm trying to understand, how do you, and again, maybe he felt as though it would be better suited if it came from Coach Paterno. … I'm going to tell you right now, I gotta stop that [assault].
"Even if it's, 'Coach [Sandusky], I gotta stop you. … I gotta take this to Coach Paterno right now'. This is not good, oh my gosh, this is not good.''
Arrington added: "The natural instinct that would kick in, if I saw a child being violated, and I don't care who they are, I don't care who the person is that would be doing that. If you're an adult and you are violating a child, all reputations, all everything, all that goes out the door.
"If that was Coach Paterno, like, 'Coach, what are you doing? … You gotta come, you gotta come sit your [butt] down right here, I'm calling the cops'.''
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#398
#398
orange+white=heaven said:
How does any PSU fan go to that game saturday? It's not the players' fault, but how do you go to that game?....
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I don't know. I'm not. My assumption is, because it is hard for me to address that because I am not a fan of Penn State football, I am all Vols, is that the fans support the team, because it is not these kids fault these idiots did this.
 
#400
#400
The more I read and hear people, the more I think Joe Pa is done. No way to sweep this under the rug. He might not of 'broke any laws' but that's beside the point now. He's finished.
 
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