Penn State scandal (merged)

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bamawriter said:
Was 'I'm not comparing severity' too difficult for you? Sorry to use words a fourth grader would understand.
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Yet you thought the comparison good enough to make, and apparently thought they were similar enough that one would have anything at all to do with another.

Okay, then. Please explain how covering up a positive drug test by a nineteen-year-old kid is similar in any way to a conspiracy by university administration to cover up child rape.

"I'm not comparing severity, but jaywalking and murder are both illegal."
 
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bamawriter said:
Uk,

My scenario assumed a hypothetical reaction on UT's part. I'm not suggesting that UT actually responded improperly.
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I don't think anyone disagrees that UT could have been punished by the NCAA if Dooley somehow facilitated and concealed continued thefts by a current player, so that the player could continue to help the program on the field.
 
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And hey, the link 95 Vol Alum posted above indicates that the NCAA did come down on Baylor for lack of institutional control in smothering failed drug tests. So this whole "but they've been hiding drug tests forever!" argument is a moot point anyway.
 
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ukvols said:
I don't think anyone disagrees that UT could have been punished by the NCAA if Dooley somehow facilitated and concealed continued thefts by a current player, so that the player could continue to help the program on the field.
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I disagree with you, but I respect the fact that you are being consistent.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Yet you thought the comparison good enough to make, and apparently thought they were similar enough that one would have anything at all to do with another.

Okay, then. Please explain how covering up a positive drug test by a nineteen-year-old kid is similar in any way to a conspiracy by university administration to cover up child rape.

"I'm not comparing severity, but jaywalking and murder are both illegal."
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Cngrats, you've confirmed your idiocy.
 
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As I posted earlier, I don't think the death penalty is appropriate. A more productive solution would be for PSU to donate a nice chunk of football revenues. Someone on the radio tonight suggested next season's home ticket revenues.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
And hey, the link 95 Vol Alum posted above indicates that the NCAA did come down on Baylor for lack of institutional control in smothering failed drug tests. So this whole "but they've been hiding drug tests forever!" argument is a moot point anyway.
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But the NCAA didnt do anything about Craig James killing 5 hookers while at SMU
 
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bamawriter said:
I won't debate folks who argue with a point i'm not making.
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The only point you consistently seem to be making is that you don't understand the distinction between crime and ethics. Which is I guess the level of thinking you'd expect from someone who thinks that how much money the TV networks stand to lose ought to be a factor in whether Penn State is punished.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The only point you consistently seem to be making is that you don't understand the distinction between crime and ethics. Which is I guess the level of thinking you'd expect from someone who thinks that how much money the TV networks stand to lose ought to be a factor in whether Penn State is punished.
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So you're suggesting that other schools and the Disney Corporation should lose money because employees at PSU abetted a pedophile? Solid justice.
 
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TrueOrange said:
The rapist is in jail for life; the coach died; the president, AD lost their jobs; the school (& possibly the former prez, VP, & AD) will get hit with at least 20-30 expensive civil suits or so

Is that not hammering those involved?
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No. The entire BOT is still inplace. The VERY top of PSU did this. It's not nearly enough. I feel sorry for those who think it is enough. If a school gives a poor kid a few bucks they get the death penalty. If they not only turn a blind eye but cover up young boys getting raped then a few firings are enough? Sorry, I don't agree.
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bamawriter said:
So you're suggesting that other schools and the Disney Corporation should lose money because employees at PSU abetted a pedophile? Solid justice.
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When considering how Penn State University should be punished for abdicating their moral authority to the football coach, I can't say that the revenue of the Disney Corporation comes up on the list of the first 1,000 things I'd worry about, no.
 
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bamawriter said:
Scenario for all Vols fans saying the NCAA should get involved:

The Cam Clear situation plays out exactly the same way, except Dooley doesn't dismiss him. He cops a very fast plea and get probation. Dooley suspends him for four games.

The NCAA decides that's not enough and suspends Clear for 12 games. And because Dooley didn't act when the accusations were first brought to his attention, they dock Tennessee 6 scholarships and give them a one year bowl ban.


You okay with that?
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This isn't even apples to oranges. This is more like apples to bull dozers. Really? You need to check yourself. Your moral compas is off by a mile.
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VolBeef88 said:
No. The entire BOT is still inplace. The VERY top of PSU did this. It's not nearly enough. I feel sorry for those who think it is enough. If a school gives a poor kid a few bucks they get the death penalty. If they not only turn a blind eye but cover up young boys getting raped then a few firings are enough? Sorry, I don't agree.
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The BOT was kept out of the loop by those involved. They had no way of knowing what had happened. Why should they suffer?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
When considering how Penn State University should be punished for abdicating their moral authority to the football coach, I can't say that the revenue of the Disney Corporation comes up on the list of the first 1,000 things I'd worry about, no.
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So the NCAA should just shoot everyone and let God sort em out?
 
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bamawriter said:
The BOT was kept out of the loop by those involved. They had no way of knowing what had happened. Why should they suffer?
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You've obviously never served on a board. The JOB of the board is to know what's going on. I serve on 3 boards right now. I fully understand the fiduciary responsibilities of such a position. Lack of knowledge of ones responsibility on the board is not a defense.
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bamawriter said:
The BOT was kept out of the loop by those involved. They had no way of knowing what had happened. Why should they suffer?
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Freeh Report: Lack of oversight by Penn State board of trustees to blame in Jerry Sandusky scandal | NJ.com

"Oversight of Penn State fell to the 32-member board of trustees. But the Freeh report found the board failed its responsibilities.

"According to the report release earlier today, the Board did not have regular reporting procedures or committee structures in place to ensure disclosure of major risks.

"The investigation said that because the board did not demand regular reporting of those risks, Penn State president Graham Spanier and other senior officials did not bring up the Jerry Sandusky investigations."

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"Some Trustees reported that their meetings felt “scripted” or that they were “rubber stamping” major decisions already made by Spanier and a smaller group of trustees. Some trustees said learned of the president’s decisions in public meetings where there were no questions or discussions.

"Even as last late as 2011, when the university was facing a grand jury investigation, the Freeh report noted that a briefing to the board downplayed the nature of the investigation of Sandusky."

"“The Board members did not independently assess the information or demand detailed reporting from Spanier and Baldwin on this serious matter,” said the report. “The board did not inquire about the details of the Attorney General’s investigation, including the request for subpoenas seeking historic e-mail information.”

"Investigators said the board allowed itself to be marginalized by not demanding “thorough and forthright reports on the affairs of the University.”"
 
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