Penn State scandal (merged)

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I don't think a lot of people really grasp the severity of this. Not only did Paterno turn his back. Not only did he try and cover it up. He ENABLED Sandusky. He might as well have been a partner in his crime.

Same goes for the AD, VP, and President.

I've always been in favor of punishments that fit the crime. If assaulted in prison, the guards should turn their backs in a similar manner.
 
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So the stories being talked about on the radio this morning are:

1. What happened to Ray Gricar?
Rar Gricar was the Center County DA who disappeared in 2005. His body and the harddrive from his laptop have never been found. The Sandusky case was one of his, perhaps his biggest at the time. Could his disappearance be linked? (That is, did Sandusky have him murdered--for the record my money would be on Dottie aka Sarge Sandusky)

2. Why has the McCreary victim never been identified?

No one bothered to identify the kid at the time, but it shouldn't be too hard to determine if a 2nd Mile kid was with Sandusky in the timeframe and then try to locate him now. They've tried without any success so the speculation is that maybe that kid is gone along with Gricar, as after all Sandusky knew there was a witness.

All of this is pure speculation, but would it change anyone's views on the subject if there were murders involved and covered up as well? Doesn't change my opinion at this point, they need to go down hard.
 
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YorkVol said:
So the stories being talked about on the radio this morning are:

1. What happened to Ray Gricar?
Rar Gricar was the Center County DA who disappeared in 2005. His body and the harddrive from his laptop have never been found. The Sandusky case was one of his, perhaps his biggest at the time. Could his disappearance be linked? (That is, did Sandusky have him murdered--for the record my money would be on Dottie aka Sarge Sandusky)

2. Why has the McCreary victim never been identified?

No one bothered to identify the kid at the time, but it shouldn't be too hard to determine if a 2nd Mile kid was with Sandusky in the timeframe and then try to locate him now. They've tried without any success so the speculation is that maybe that kid is gone along with Gricar, as after all Sandusky knew there was a witness.

All of this is pure speculation, but would it change anyone's views on the subject if there were murders involved and covered up as well? Doesn't change my opinion at this point, they need to go down hard.
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I think the circumstances around the District Attorney are very strange (I never even considered the victim McCreary observed), and if murder were to be proven I believe it would spell the death penalty for Sandusky.

However, I don't think he'd be willing to be killed (Pennsylvania has only killed people who have waived their appeal) so he'd just die on death row, much like he will currently die in prison. Moot point, really.
 
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orangesparkles said:
I think the circumstances around the District Attorney are very strange (I never even considered the victim McCreary observed), and if murder were to be proven I believe it would spell the death penalty for Sandusky.

However, I don't think he'd be willing to be killed (Pennsylvania has only killed people who have waived their appeal) so he'd just die on death row, much like he will currently die in prison. Moot point, really.
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By turning a blind PSU leadership allowed for other little boys to be raped but now there's a question whether or not it led to a murdser and you say moot point? Really?
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orangesparkles said:
I think the circumstances around the District Attorney are very strange (I never even considered the victim McCreary observed), and if murder were to be proven I believe it would spell the death penalty for Sandusky.

However, I don't think he'd be willing to be killed (Pennsylvania has only killed people who have waived their appeal) so he'd just die on death row, much like he will currently die in prison. Moot point, really.
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What if it was found that he paid someone with is settlement money? He got something like $170k settlement, would the use of PSU money for something like that change your opinion of what should happen to the school?
 
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Best line regarding the Joe Paterno statue...
came from Mike Rosenberg, senior writer for Sports Illustrated:

"Penn State should keep the Joe Paterno statue. Just move it so he is looking the other way."
 
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voldawgforever said:
Best line regarding the Joe Paterno statue...
came from Mike Rosenberg, senior writer for Sports Illustrated:

"Penn State should keep the Joe Paterno statue. Just move it so he is looking the other way."
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I saw another that said in a true tribute to Joe Pa PSU shouldn't remove the statue, they should just cover it up.
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BigPapaVol said:
No it doesn't. If there is the reasonable expectation that control via knowledge was expected, they remain culpable. There is no freaking way they should be absolved if the president was in on the coverup.
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The president isn't a member of the BOT, he reports to them. In this case, he didn't mislead them, he kept them from finding out.

There may be more to the story, and there may have been willfull blindness on the part of the BOT. But the Freeh Report doesn't indicate that.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
By turning a blind PSU leadership allowed for other little boys to be raped but now there's a question whether or not it led to a murdser and you say moot point? Really?
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Really? It looked more like what he was saying was:

Sandusky is already in jail for life. If he were to have murdered someone, apparently by Pennsylvania rule if he would have to waive some appeal in order for them to use the death penalty. So more than likely - either way - Sandusky'd just be in jail for life.
 
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bamawriter said:
The president isn't a member of the BOT, he reports to them. In this case, he didn't mislead them, he kept them from finding out.

There may be more to the story, and there may have been willfull blindness on the part of the BOT. But the Freeh Report doesn't indicate that.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgmkVBZbS3o[/youtube]

Listen to what Frazier says and I will quote it

We, the Penn State BOT failed in our obligation to provide proper oversight to the universities operations. To be absolutely clear, we are accountable here
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If thats not admitting that they failed to control the situation, I dont know what else can be said to change your mind
 
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CountVolcula said:
Listen to what Frazier says and I will quote it



If thats not admitting that they failed to control the situation, I dont know what else can be said to change your mind
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My original comment was about criminal or civil liability. Did the PSU BOT fail in their duties? When it comes to oversight, they couldn't have been much worse. But that isn't the same as willfull blindness.
 
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TrueOrange said:
...pretty much what they do already. It's why so many who actually serve their time have trouble trying to readjust to the real world/try to find some way to go back
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I wouldnt want to be there, but its not bad because we make it bad. Its because of the others that are in prison.

Make no mistake, 3 squares a day, cable t.v, air conditioning, free medical care, free dental, is more than what some of the taxpayers have that are housing them
 
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TrueOrange said:
Really? It looked more like what he was saying was:

Sandusky is already in jail for life. If he were to have murdered someone, apparently by Pennsylvania rule if he would have to waive some appeal in order for them to use the death penalty. So more than likely - either way - Sandusky'd just be in jail for life.
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As far as Sandusky goes, I see that. But my point is that Sandusky is not the only guilty party here. PSU is guilty as well and if by covering up the rape of little boys and if people were murdered then PSU has culpability in that as well.
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TrueOrange said:
...pretty much what they do already. It's why so many who actually serve their time have trouble trying to readjust to the real world/try to find some way to go back
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It's not that bad for guys in the gangs and what not. They go in there and are with their cliques.

I personally am for hard physical labor, but that's another issue.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
As far as Sandusky goes, I see that. But my point is that Sandusky is not the only guilty party here. PSU is guilty as well and if by covering up the rape of little boys and if people were murdered then PSU has culpability in that as well.
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Penn State is going to be writing some huge checks. But is there someone, other than Spanier, who isn't currently facing charges that you think should be?
 
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YorkVol said:
What if it was found that he paid someone with is settlement money? He got something like $170k settlement, would the use of PSU money for something like that change your opinion of what should happen to the school?
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I think that would make the entire situation even worse, but I still don't think the NCAA would have the right to administer the death penalty. I have no idea how state laws govern this sort of thing, though, so maybe the school/program could potentially be shut down by the state government? Hell, they may have the ability to do such a thing now, I don't know. I think this situation is pretty new to everyone.

VolBeef88 said:
As far as Sandusky goes, I see that. But my point is that Sandusky is not the only guilty party here. PSU is guilty as well and if by covering up the rape of little boys and if people were murdered then PSU has culpability in that as well.
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You have absolutely no way of proving that any hypothetical murders involved any culpability on PSU's part. Just because Penn State officials covered up this scandal does not mean that any crimes tangibly linked to the scandal are able to be pinned on PSU; if Sandusky happened to kill the boy on his own accord and told no one of this, he'd be solely to blame.
 
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bamawriter said:
Penn State is going to be writing some huge checks. But is there someone, other than Spanier, who isn't currently facing charges that you think should be?
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Spanier should be charged. The BOT should be replaced and the Football program should be severely punished.
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