Penn State scandal (merged)

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#876
milohimself said:
The point is this: There is protocol for such a situation, and he followed it. Maybe JoePa could have done more, but the onus was on the AD to contact the authorities, which he didn't do, and now he's being tried for it.
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Exactly. I understand the reaction by some people, this whole thing is despicable, but there is a lot we don't know, and until there has been time to sort all this out, Paterno deserves the benefit of the doubt.... for the meantime.

Gee, a lynch mob on a UT board. What a shock.
 
#877
#877
LawVol13 said:
I don't know if they had the evidence to prosecute him at that time. That one might have not been on the DA. We'd need more info to make that call.
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Yeah, I wasn't trying to take sides... it was just the first I'd heard of that.

Lotta iffy/fishy/that doesn't quite add up stuff here...
 
#879
#879
LawVol13 said:
I don't know if they had the evidence to prosecute him at that time. That one might have not been on the DA. We'd need more info to make that call.
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seems an eyewitness account would be enough. But who knows if they would truly testify without being put in that exact position
 
#881
#881
knucklehead_vol said:
I apologize Milo, but this is a very disturbing situation, it will get heated because of that. I am certain I would have helped the kid, not certain to what extent. With my track record I just don't know, but at the very least I would have taken the kid away from him. There is no way I could have left a kid behind like that, no way. And no way he would have been allowed to be back on that campus.

Just for an example. My childs daycare, I walked by a class, with the door shut, but all the doors do have tinted windows, I saw the 'teacher' hit three kids with a brush. I walked in, made sure the kids were alright and notified the administration, right then and there. Did not hesitate, but my human instincts took over to make sure the kids were safe.
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I am very glad to hear that, and I understand this is an emotional subject because there are many here with children.

If McQuerey (sp?) didn't have the moral sense to do anything more about it, then he's going to be found guilty and do time. If he did and just didn't have the fortitude to do anything about it, then I can't even begin to fathom the kind of weight he's been carrying around.

I'm not exonerating anyone here, I hope Sandusky sits in a cell for the rest of his days and finds God, and I hope myself and everyone else here would act better than the parties in this case acted. But, unless somebody said otherwise, none of us have witnessed child rape or carried the weight of that knowledge of seeing something like that happen, so who are we to judge or be certain of what we'd do in their shoes?
 
#882
#882
Some of the things I am reading here are beyond my comprehension. Maybe I'm just a simple person. But I don't think its that far-reaching to say "If I saw a 10 year old boy getting raped in the shower by a man, then I would do something to stop it". I don't care if "something to stop it" means yelling, throwing a shoe, blowing a whistle, or beating the man's ass, I can say, unequivocally, that there would be a response of some sort.

If you can't grasp that, then I don't know what to tell you. I've trained in high-stress, high-pressure situations since I enlisted in 1999 until present in my current career. I'm confident in saying there would be SOME response on my part.
 
#883
#883
ItsDarwinism said:
Exactly. I understand the reaction by some people, this whole thing is despicable, but there is a lot we don't know, and until there has been time to sort all this out, Paterno deserves the benefit of the doubt.... for the meantime.

Gee, a lynch mob on a UT board. What a shock.
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how in the world does anyone deserve any benefit of any doubt when he damn well knew about this for roughly 10 years and washed his hands of it. I don't care what comes out or what the statements are, he knew about the investigations and knew it was a problem. He might be legally clean, but the modern college sports "I didn't know" defense is utter crap. He either knew, or is too stupid to deserve any admiration any way.

Some rule that might have precluded him talking would have worked if this was a 6 month old secret, but it isn't. The rule, if it means what people here think, is stupid as hell too and any adult should know that bypassing it makes sense.
 
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#884
utvolpj said:
seems an eyewitness account would be enough. But who knows if they would truly testify without being put in that exact position
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I thought the 90s incident didn't have an eye witness. I could be wrong though. And I didn't think he raped the kid then.
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#885
#885
LawVol13 said:
That a boy. Stick up for a guy whose negligence caused 8 or 10 boys to be ass raped. That's the cool thing to do.
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Not sticking up for him at all. I've said i'd do more than he did. But legally he's not obligated.
 
#886
#886
milohimself said:
I guarantee you have not been in that heavy of a situation, so I can guarantee you do not now with any certainty just what you would do.
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While I agree that I can't say for certainty what I would do in that situation, I guarantee you with certainty what I wouldn't do.

I guarantee I would not leave it at reporting it to my superiors.
 
#888
#888
rmsmith said:
Not sticking up for him at all. I've said i'd do more than he would've. But I would not expect him to.
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Then you've held him to absolutely no standard whatsoever and that's not OK when he has knowledge of kids being raped.
 
#890
#890
LawVol13 said:
Again, I guarantee I wouldn't sit on my ass and allow multiple other kids to be raped. And I guarantee I would have attempted to stop his attack on a child. Any decent person would.
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Okay. You still don't know

utvolpj said:
I am 100% that anybody who speculates with certainty on someone else's experiences is talking out of their ass
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I just asked earlier if anybody here has witnessed a child being raped.

Dbake005 said:
Is it true that the DA basically let Sandusky walk in the late 90s?
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LawVol13 said:
That a boy. Stick up for a guy whose negligence caused 8 or 10 boys to be ass raped. That's the cool thing to do.
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Nobody is sticking up for anybody else. Anybody whose negligence helped Sandusky commit those acts will be sitting in prison for a long time to come.

utvolpj said:
seems an eyewitness account would be enough. But who knows if they would truly testify without being put in that exact position
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If the DA could have successfully prosecuted him at the time, I'm sure he would have.
 
#892
#892
LawVol13 said:
I don't know if they had the evidence to prosecute him at that time. That one might have not been on the DA. We'd need more info to make that call.
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It's obvious there just aren't enough details out yet, so you may be right.

What I find disturbing, though, is that a mom of one of the victims publicly stated that Sandusky admitted to her he did it, and investigators (law enforcement) heard the whole admission and no charges were pressed. If this is true, then what seemed like it cold not get any more shocking immediately does.

What if it is proven within a reasonable doubt (either legally or court of public opinion) that police sat on this because of the effect it could have on the university and that community, let alone the JoePa factor? It's entirely possible, and sad.

Here is the piece on Deadspin yesterday. Take a look at the last paragraph on the page about the old DA at the link...

When the mother confronted Sandusky, he said: "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead," according the presentment from the grand jury.

An investigator for Children and Youth Services broke the news to the mother: It was all a big mistake, the mother said she was told. The police officer who investigated won't comment. Neither will the former police chief.

"Jerry Sandusky admitted to my face, he admitted it," the mother said. "He admitted that he lathered up my son they were naked and he bear-hugged him. If they would have done something about it in 1998, and then again in 2002—there was two chances they dropped the ball and I think they should all be held accountable."

Her son, she said, can't stop thinking about Victim One.
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Alleged Victim's Mother: Jerry Sandusky Admitted It "To My Face" 13 Years Ago
 
#894
#894
BigPapaVol said:
how in the world does anyone deserve any benefit of any doubt when he damn well knew about this for roughly 10 years and washed his hands of it. I don't care what comes out or what the statements are, he knew about the investigations and knew it was a problem. He might be legally clean, but the modern college sports "I didn't know" defense is utter crap. He either knew, or is too stupid to deserve any admiration any way.

Some rule that might have precluded him talking would have worked if this was a 6 month old secret, but it isn't. The rule, if it means what people here think, is stupid as hell too and any adult should know that bypassing it makes sense.
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Look, this thing is being investigated and it will all come out eventually. Neither you nor I have all the facts at this point, you're only speculating about what you know. Justice will be served, there is no way around it in this media firestorm. I'm on the side of the victims here and you guys want to string up Paterno, but in the meantime Sandusky is walking around on a measely 100K bond. Now THAT is disgusting!
 
#897
#897
milohimself said:
Okay. You still don't know


I just asked earlier if anybody here has witnessed a child being raped.
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so unless you have seen a 10yo boy being raped by a defensive coordinator in the locker room shower you can have no idea how you'll react? Ok I see your point now
 
#898
#898
MTSUDaff said:
It's obvious there just aren't enough details out yet, so you may be right.

What I find disturbing, though, is that a mom of one of the victims publicly stated that Sandusky admitted to her he did it, and investigators (law enforcement) heard the whole admission and no charges were pressed. If this is true, then what seemed like it cold not get any more shocking immediately does.

What if it is proven within a reasonable doubt (either legally or court of public opinion) that police sat on this because of the effect it could have on the university and that community, let alone the JoePa factor? It's entirely possible, and sad.

Here is the piece on Deadspin yesterday. Take a look at the last paragraph on the page about the old DA at the link...



Alleged Victim's Mother: Jerry Sandusky Admitted It "To My Face" 13 Years Ago
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The police and the DA are in a different position, not to necessarily go after it immediately, but to go after it when they have enough evidence to get a conviction in a court.

At this stage, if the police knew and were sitting on it just to protect the image of Penn State, then there will be more prosecutions coming down.
 
#900
#900
Dbake005 said:
Is it true that the DA basically let Sandusky walk in the late 90s?
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Yes, and that DA was legally declared dead earlier this year.

I would not be very surprised if there is a eventually a connection found between the two.
 
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