Penn State scandal (merged)

#926
#926
milohimself said:
If you did see something like that and acted more than McQueary, then good on you.

I just don't understand how most people can put themselves in that kind of hypothetical situation is all. This isn't directed at you specifically, but this "If I would have seen this, I would have done such and such" crap is ridiculous. You didn't, you haven't, it's not your job to judge or do anything about it, shut the hell up.
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Are you talking about immediate reactions? Given my experience most men will do what they believe they should do within minutes of the shock wearing off.

I've seen men instantly go into rage and I have seen men flee and return to the situation within minutes. Only once have I seen one run away and pretend nothing ever happened.
 
#927
#927
milohimself said:
If you did see something like that and acted more than McQueary, then good on you.

I just don't understand how most people can put themselves in that kind of hypothetical situation is all. This isn't directed at you specifically, but this "If I would have seen this, I would have done such and such" crap is ridiculous. You didn't, you haven't, it's not your job to judge or do anything about it, shut the hell up.
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I think what you're stating is simply ridiculous. There's a moral standard for that type of situation for some people. If you can find some way to defend the GA's actions, we clearly just have different ideas of what we should expect out of people.
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#928
#928
NWGVol said:
Exactly. Paterno had a responsibility as an adult to to help prevent this from happening. It's only magnified because of the position he is in.
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He also championed the kids, he has always been about the kids, and the kids are who he turned his back on. The kids were never allowed be to be kids because of this travesty.
 
#929
#929
milohimself said:
If you did see something like that and acted more than McQueary, then good on you.

I just don't understand how most people can put themselves in that kind of hypothetical situation is all. This isn't directed at you specifically, but this "If I would have seen this, I would have done such and such" crap is ridiculous. You didn't, you haven't, it's not your job to judge or do anything about it, shut the hell up.
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Perhaps when you have children, you will have a better appreciation of these hypothetical situations.
 
#930
#930
milohimself said:
If you did see something like that and acted more than McQueary, then good on you.

I just don't understand how most people can put themselves in that kind of hypothetical situation is all. This isn't directed at you specifically, but this "If I would have seen this, I would have done such and such" crap is ridiculous. You didn't, you haven't, it's not your job to judge or do anything about it, shut the hell up.
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I don't usually go here . . . But if you had kids, I think you'd be more apt to understand. I know that sounds hokey, but the protective instinct is very real.
 
#931
#931
BigPapaVol said:
Just hard for me to see, when I would have no doubt that it took everything the kid had to come and tell me. McQueary had to be scared to death in telling that to one of Sandusky's friends, mentor and boss.
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Given his background (the GA) I can see him being in a state of shock. Seeing something that repulsive for the first time scars you for life. I do not condone that he did not go on the warpath about it within the next couple of hours or days.

Years of watching this guy come and go from the facilities, at times with young children show him to be a coward.
 
#932
#932
GAVol said:
I don't usually go here . . . But if you had kids, I think you'd be more apt to understand.
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You shouldn't need kids to understand that when you see a grown man raping young boy, you should do something about it.
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#934
#934
BigPapaVol said:
It's absurd to assume that justice will be served when dealing with an ivory tower. A bunch of kids had their lives royally screwed because of said ivory tower.

I don't have any interest in stringing up Paterno. I want adults to do what adults should in protecting the defenseless. He was in a position to get this right and almost nobody else was. He let a bunch of kids down in being a derelict.
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Are you nuts? Have you turned on a TV in the last 24 hours? The FBI investigated the Cam Newton thing for crying out loud. What makes you think this wont get the same level of attention, and even if it doesn't the public outcry of bloodlust will bring this to a proper conclusion.

Paterno is not going to jail, he's been forced out of his job, WTF else do you guys want? He's leaving in disgrace and his legacy is forever tainted. Probably everybody in the chain of command is complicit someway, but if you dont mind I'll wait until the facts come out.
 
#935
#935
MontereyVol said:
Given his background (the GA0 I can see him being in a state of shock. Seeing somethin that repulsive for the first time scars you for life. I do not condone that he did not go on the warpath about it within the next couple of days.

Years of watching this guy come and go from the facilities, at times with young children show him to be a coward.
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Exactly.
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#936
#936
LawVol13 said:
I think what you're stating is simply ridiculous. There's a moral standard for that type of situation for some people. If you can find some way to defend the GA's actions, we clearly just have different ideas of what we should expect out of people.
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I'm not defending the GA's actions whatsoever. Any of you that have that idea floating around in your skulls, remove it immediately.

I'm saying we don't know why he didn't do anything about it. Again, if he didn't do anything about it because his moral compass was so screwed to the point where he put his relationship with a coach or university ahead of the safety of children, then he will pay.

And yes, in the situation as we know it, stopping Sandusky would be the morally correct thing to do. Unfortunately, not all people are built that way, and we don't know how they'd handle such a situation until they found themselves in it. McQueary found himself in it, and acted how he acted. He now has to live with it, and if how he acted is found to be criminally negligent, then he will be living with it in prison.
 
#938
#938
ItsDarwinism said:
Are you nuts? Have you turned on a TV in the last 24 hours? The FBI investigated the Cam Newton thing for crying out loud. What makes you think this wont get the same level of attention, and even if it doesn't the public outcry of bloodlust will bring this to a proper conclusion.

Paterno is not going to jail, he's been forced out of his job, WTF else do you guys want? He's leaving in disgrace and his legacy is forever tainted. Probably everybody in the chain of command is complicit someway, but if you dont mind I'll wait until the facts come out.
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Who the hell gives two craps about paterno's legacy at this point? He has no one to blame but himself, and If he aided in his coverup, he should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent that the law allows.
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#939
#939
ItsDarwinism said:
Are you nuts? Have you turned on a TV in the last 24 hours? The FBI investigated the Cam Newton thing for crying out loud. What makes you think this wont get the same level of attention, and even if it doesn't the public outcry of bloodlust will bring this to a proper conclusion.

Paterno is not going to jail, he's been forced out of his job, WTF else do you guys want? He's leaving in disgrace and his legacy is forever tainted. Probably everybody in the chain of command is complicit someway, but if you dont mind I'll wait until the facts come out.
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Yeah It sends a great message to say, "Hey, even though you allowed this guy to stay with the program after you heard he raped kids, you can just go out on your own terms." The children's attorneys will love that when they're asking the jury for damages.
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#940
#940
LawVol13 said:
Who the hell gives two craps about paterno's legacy at this point? He has no one to blame but himself, and If he aided in his coverup, he should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent that the law allows.
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I agree. It's sad that the game Saturday will be a pep rally for Jo Pa, and the victims and parents will see 100,000 people show support to someone that could have put a stop to this 10 years ago. Blows my mind.
 
#941
#941
ItsDarwinism said:
Are you nuts? Have you turned on a TV in the last 24 hours? The FBI investigated the Cam Newton thing for crying out loud. What makes you think this wont get the same level of attention, and even if it doesn't the public outcry of bloodlust will bring this to a proper conclusion.

Paterno is not going to jail, he's been forced out of his job, WTF else do you guys want? He's leaving in disgrace and his legacy is forever tainted. Probably everybody in the chain of command is complicit someway, but if you dont mind I'll wait until the facts come out.
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What other facts do you need?
 
#942
#942
Orange Blazer said:
I agree. It's sad that the game Saturday will be a pep rally for Jo Pa, and the victims and parents will see 100,000 people show support to someone that could have put a stop to this 10 years ago. Blows my mind.
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This is the type of thing that will get brought back up for years to come when people are remembering this tragedy. I think it's something that the fans will, hopefully, regret forever.
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#943
#943
milohimself said:
I'm not defending the GA's actions whatsoever. Any of you that have that idea floating around in your skulls, remove it immediately.

I'm saying we don't know why he didn't do anything about it. Again, if he didn't do anything about it because his moral compass was so screwed to the point where he put his relationship with a coach or university ahead of the safety of children, then he will pay.

And yes, in the situation as we know it, stopping Sandusky would be the morally correct thing to do. Unfortunately, not all people are built that way, and we don't know how they'd handle such a situation until they found themselves in it. McQueary found himself in it, and acted how he acted. He now has to live with it, and if how he acted is found to be criminally negligent, then he will be living with it in prison.
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So, now you're acknowledging that the moral thing to do would have been to stop Sandusky, which the GA did not do. That sounds an awful lot like judging him to me, which is precisely what you've been saying no one should have the audacity to do. So, if this is your new position, I agree.
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#944
#944
alumvol08 said:
You shouldn't need kids to understand that when you see a grown man raping young boy, you should do something about it.
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I'm sure Milo would do something too. He's just arguing that we shouldn't be so absolute in saying what we'd do . . . Which I still disagree with.
 
#945
#945
GAVol said:
I don't usually go here . . . But if you had kids, I think you'd be more apt to understand. I know that sounds hokey, but the protective instinct is very real.
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Not that it compares even one iota, but I have had a protective instinct kick in around other people's children. I was at the zoo last weekend and saw two parents leave their children unattended for a minute or so while the kids were horsing around on one of those huge, heavy-metal old school one way turnstiles. Their girl was between the meshing metal parts with the boy trying to ride the gate, and got the thing moving quickly, with some momentum and weight, and I covered 10 feet at about the fastest rate I ever have in my life to grab the gate and keep the girl from getting sandwiched by about 200 pounds of steel bars. She got out, I pulled the boy off and immediately went straight to the parents and gave them some hell over it.

After I had let the nerves calm down a bit, walking back to my car, I was glad I grabbed the gate and hoped that it would lead to the parents to being more aware of what their children were doing. But maybe I could have frozen and watched in disbelief as that little girl was about to get seriously injured or worse. My point is, it was only then that I found out what I would have done in that situation.
 
#948
#948
milohimself said:
I'm not defending the GA's actions whatsoever. Any of you that have that idea floating around in your skulls, remove it immediately.
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You just seem to be showing more venom towards those who are putting themselves in a hypothetical situation than those involved in this crapfest.

Apologies in advance if that's not the case.
 
#949
#949
Orange Blazer said:
I agree. It's sad that the game Saturday will be a pep rally for Jo Pa, and the victims and parents will see 100,000 people show support to someone that could have put a stop to this 10 years ago. Blows my mind.
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I don't know about his. Maybe the students, the rest of the fans and players, not so sure they will fill the same way. I think it will be a lot of empty seats and they lose bad to NU.
 
#950
#950
alumvol08 said:
Yeah It sends a great message to say, "Hey, even though you allowed this guy to stay with the program after you heard he raped kids, you can just go out on your own terms." The children's attorneys will love that when they're asking the jury for damages.
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Paterno wanted to coach there until he croaked, and we all damn well knew it. He's not going out on his own terms, even if he gets to coach three more games, it's because his higher ups made it that way.

GAVol said:
I'm sure Milo would do something too. He's just arguing that we shouldn't be so absolute in saying what we'd do . . . Which I still disagree with.
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Being absolute in what we think we would do is the basis for judgment of others. I was raised to try and do the right thing in any given situation. I was also raised not to judge others. What McQueary did and didn't do is between him, God and the law.
 
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