Penn State scandal (merged)

[GreatWhiteNorth]

He took some of the victims to bowl games, how does that figure into the investigation?

Jus taking them to the games may not be enough. Probably need to have probable cause he actually abused them while they were there. Then the federal nexus can be made.

 

[LawVol13]

I work a lot of cases like these, so often times this is how it goes...

The FBI could subpoena computer records on Sandusky's computer in relation to the 2nd Mile and luring kids. While in the course of executing the subpoena/search warrant on his computer looking for evidence in relation to 2nd Mile, they come across child porn. They immediately stop the search, apply for a new search warrant to include child porn, and once the judge signs off, proceed. Then they've got him on possession of child porn, and can try to prove production of child porn...sending it on the internet. It really starts stacking up there.

That scenario happens a a lot. I investigated a federal sex offender last year for sex offender registry violation. Turned out he had multiple assumed IDs. Got the Secret Service involved, and pursued the aggravated identity theft angle. They did a search warrant on his computer for evidence in relation to aggravated identity theft. Unfortunately he wiped his computer before we arrested him, but you can see how the agg ID theft angle could have easily lead to finding child porn on his computer. In fact, we expected it...

Solid info.
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[alumvol08]

I work a lot of cases like these, so often times this is how it goes...

The FBI could subpoena computer records on Sandusky's computer in relation to the 2nd Mile and luring kids. While in the course of executing the subpoena/search warrant on his computer looking for evidence in relation to 2nd Mile, they come across child porn. They immediately stop the search, apply for a new search warrant to include child porn, and once the judge signs off, proceed. Then they've got him on possession of child porn, and can try to prove production of child porn...sending it on the internet. It really starts stacking up there.

That scenario happens a a lot. I investigated a federal sex offender last year for sex offender registry violation. Turned out he had multiple assumed IDs. Got the Secret Service involved, and pursued the aggravated identity theft angle. They did a search warrant on his computer for evidence in relation to aggravated identity theft. Unfortunately he wiped his computer before we arrested him, but you can see how the agg ID theft angle could have easily lead to finding child porn on his computer. In fact, we expected it...

Wouldn't the FBI have to have probable cause that Sandusky was using the 2nd mile to solicite the kids though?
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[LawVol13]

Jus taking them to the games may not be enough. Probably need to have probably cause he actually abused them while they were there. Then the federal nexus can be made.

They do allege abuse occurred on that trip, so they've got it if they want it.
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[Vercingetorix]

I'm with OWH. This ends with Sandusky blowing his brains out.

 

[TnScooby]

What is this BS about "years?"1) Now you're just making sh_t up, thats absurd, this wont take years to identify all the guilty parties.

I understand the timeline, I also understand that neither you or I know what McQuery told Paterno, or what he told the president. And that is a fact.
Even Trevor Matich on ESPN who has been very outspoken in his outrage over this, and I dont feel any different BTW, even says we need to let the investigation run its course. Gee what common sense.

2)Now you can go back to your Nancy Grace and Geraldo shows and beat the drum for instant justice. Some of you guys are hilarious.

1)Apparently YOU are full of BS..it was YEARS since this happened, hence the "years" reference..Give it a minute and maybe it will sink in...And yes we DO know what was told-An ADULT was found in a sexual situation with a MINOR...And that is a FACT...Keep waitin' and maybe it will finally come to you...
2) Apparently you aren't watching enough legal shows or maybe TOO MANY

BTW, If it was YOUR child involved as the victim maybe you wouldn't be so pompous about protecting Joe Paterno's "rights" and you wouldn't find this so "hilarious"..Or better yet, what if it was YOU who was the victim, then maybe "years" of this being covered up would bother you even more..but probably not since you and your self-righteous thinking find it okay that by not following up when he had the chance, Joe Paterno put EVERY athlete he recruited in an environment of possible sexual abuse..But I'm sure you'll find some assinine way to justify that as well...

JMHFO

 

[LawVol13]

Wouldn't the FBI have to have probable cause that Sandusky was using the 2nd mile to solicite the kids though?
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Aren't many of his victims from 2nd Mile? If so, there's the probable cause.
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[GreatWhiteNorth]

Wouldn't the FBI have to have probable cause that Sandusky was using the 2nd mile to solicite the kids though?
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Absolutely they would. And in my opinion, that's exactly what he was doing. 2nd Mile was a lure.

 

[TXA&M07]

Just read a post on a PSU Board: "Joe is a great man and is willfully taking the fall for the good of the University"


I ish you not someone typed that and was serious.

 

[YorkVol]

On the one hand you have comments like these:

(These are comments on a story asking what should the fans and students do on Saturday)

texan9 November 09, 2011 at 2:49PM
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as an outsider, the answer is very obvious. PSU has thousands of great students and alumni who are shamed by what the clear evidence shows is an absolute case study in failure of leadership, hubris, evil and hypocrisy among Paterno's athletic department. Paterno and his staff chose ego and money over the known abuse of innocent children. Even based on current facts, which we all know will only get worse as the investigation continues, your BOT MUST fire Paterno, the AD, Mcqueary, and others stained with this coverup IMMEDIATELY. If you do not, and people guilty of these heinous crimes continue to represent the university and actually coach a football game saturday, then the shame is not limited to them, but will stain the entire university and its graduates forever.
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snarkk November 09, 2011 at 1:37PM
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You folks in and around central Pennsylvania need to wake up. The entire nation is up in arms on this issue. Out here on the West Coast, and in the blogosphere and talk shows outside of Pennsylvania from coast to coast, folks are enraged by what Paterno did NOT do. I have a friend that turned in a FAMILY MEMBER for child abuse, and Paterno let his buddy Sandusky prey on young boys for 9 YEARS after the 2002 child rape in his football facility? If Paterno coaches on Saturday, IMO it will be an historic abomination of college sports of the highest magnitude. Many, many people outside your area will figure that any fans that go to that game, if Paterno is coaching, supports PSU football and whatever it represents over the protection of children. I will be one of them. If it happens, the entire nation should shun Penn State University in as many ways as it possibly can. Paterno's presence in that stadium on Saturday will be a stain on your university for decades. For him to coach any longer is an affront to basic human decency, and a total slap in the face to those kids (and now some are young adults) that he let Sandusky abuse....

But then you get stories like this:
Penn State-Nebraska ticket prices rising with possibility it's Joe Paterno's last home game | PennLive.com

What an awful and strange situation we're witnessing!

 

[alumvol08]

Aren't many of his victims from 2nd Mile? If so, there's the probable cause.
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That's right. I forgot that the victims were tied to that organization.
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[alumvol08]

Absolutely they would. And in my opinion, that's exactly what he was doing. 2nd Mile was a lure.

Had a brain lapse on the victims being tied to the organization. Good info. Hopefully the Feds get the ball rolling soon.
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[GreatWhiteNorth]

Had a brain lapse on the victims being tied to the organization. Good info. Hopefully the Feds get the ball rolling soon.
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If I had to guess, I'd say they already have.

 

[ukvols]

This has easily become the biggest scandal in college sports history.

I don't think SMU will ever be topped.
This one is definitely bigger than Miami from earlier this year and is in SMU territory though.

The crimes are more serious at PSU. But, if you base it on the size of the scandal and the positions of the people involved, SMU is still king.

 

[I_Hate_the_BCS]

As someone who lives in Pa, trust me when I say this Joe Pa has a ton of support on this issue. I find it pretty disgusting that so many people have his back on this issue. I know you must let the investigation find out of all of the facts but if this were a CEO of a major company or anyone in a position of authority (not the head coach of a major football program) then they would have been fired already.

I'm not saying the man condoned this type of behavior but he sure as he%% didn't do much to stop it. Now as far as the man who saw this take place and basically walked away to tell someone, he should be held liable as well. I think he's a coward for not stepping in at that very moment but I guess some people just don't want to get involved.

Its a sad and disgisting issue right now and I think too many people are looking at this from a football aspect. I think the fans should completely boycott the game on Saturday and the networks should not show it. It's glorifying the situation and that is all that will be talked about by the commentators.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

I don't think SMU will ever be topped.
This one is definitely bigger than Miami from earlier this year and is in SMU territory though.

The crimes are more serious at PSU. But, if you base it on the size of the scandal and the positions of the people involved, SMU is still king.

Not really. Rape is much worse.

 

[LawVol13]

I don't think SMU will ever be topped.
This one is definitely bigger than Miami from earlier this year and is in SMU territory though.

The crimes are more serious at PSU. But, if you base it on the size of the scandal and the positions of the people involved, SMU is still king.

Come on, ukvols. This makes SMU look like a speeding violation in comparison. This easily surpasses it.
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[GreveHaller]

Come on, ukvols. This makes SMU look like a speeding violation in comparison. This easily surpasses it.
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Agree. Its one thing to be doing a bunch of coke and paying players. Its another to violate underage children.

 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Come on, ukvols. This makes SMU look like a speeding violation in comparison. This easily surpasses it.
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I gotta agree there. Child rape is a whole lot worse than paying players.

 

[underscore]

I don't think SMU will ever be topped.
This one is definitely bigger than Miami from earlier this year and is in SMU territory though.

The crimes are more serious at PSU. But, if you base it on the size of the scandal and the positions of the people involved, SMU is still king.

Oil money buying players or a man sodomizing young boys while the univ. and community simply and only 'take away his keys.' Sandusky was strolling around the PSU campus just last week prior to his arrest according to many reports. Everyone smiling as if nothing happened. Oh, happy days.
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[alumvol08]

Come on, ukvols. This makes SMU look like a speeding violation in comparison. This easily surpasses it.
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Exactly.
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[Spartacavolus]

I haven't been able to get the images from popping into my head. As a coach (until I die) and as a father of 3 boys, 11,8 and 5, I haven't been this angry and sick in a long time.
Absolutely, utterly, disgusted with anyone and everyone involved.

 

[underscore]

I haven't been able to get the images from popping into my head. As a coach (until I die) and as a father of 3 boys, 11,8 and 5, I haven't been this angry and sick in a long time.
Absolutely, utterly, disgusted with anyone and everyone involved.

Not to cause more teeth grinding, but this sort of crime against children occurs more than the sane mind can comprehend in our world today. Take peace in that upon this individual's conviction and sentencing that once he enters a given prison lets just hope someone 'accidently' puts the guy in general population for an hour or so. It's all it will take for justice to be served by his fellow inmates.
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[Vercingetorix]

So check out this article that's making the rounds now. This was written in APRIL.

Madden: Sandusky a State secret - Timesonline.com: Mark Madden:

It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?
Best-case scenario: Charges are never brought, and Sandusky walks away with his reputation permanently scarred. The rumors, the jokes, the sideways glances - they won't ever stop. Paterno and Penn State do the great escape.
Worst-case scenario: Sandusky is charged. Then it seems reasonable to wonder: Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky's alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State's considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?
Don't kid yourself. That could happen. Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media.
In 1999, Penn State was rid of Sandusky. His rep was unblemished, which allowed him to continue running a charitable foundation that gave him access to underage males. To be a volunteer assistant with a high school football team, thus gaining access to underage males.
If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for untoward acts since committed by Sandusky?

 

[Spartacavolus]

That kids program was started on 1977. You mean to tell me that sick bastard didn't do anything until 1994?

Sandusky may end up setting the record for serial rapes by a pedophile in American History, yet people knew about it. Incredible.