Penn State scandal (merged)

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TXVOL07 said:
Because it's Child Abuse, as many of you pointed out already. Not Penn State Football t-shirt theft.

Joe is not the authority on much outside of PSU Football. He's a football coach, not God/Judge/jury/prosecutor/ end all be all at a major educational institution.

Just a ball coach guys.
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So rather than going to Sandusky's direct superior, the GA should have gone to the facilities director to make sure that the locker room is a child-rape free zone?
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MemphisCanes said:
Joe Pa, the administrators and the AD, and PSU generally will most likely burn in Civil Court for this one. The has already been brought up on criminal perjury charges, I don't know what's stopping them from charging Joe Pa as well. The GA made no qualms about stating under oath that he informed Joe at a meeting at Joe's house directly acfter the incident, exactly what he saw.

Obviously, Joe Pa and the AD had a duty to report that they had reasonable belief that a crime had been committed. Not doing so would generally make someone an accesory after the fact, in TN at least.
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Again, under Pennsylavania reporting statutes, Paterno did what he had to for his legal duty and obligation. The issue that will plague and likely drag down Paterno is why he did not go beyond his legal obligation and what the abuse continued 7 years after Paterno heard of the incdient.
 
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It sure as hell would if the defendant was found innocent, provided the defendant so chose to counter sue.

Due process is a b!tch that way.
 
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dreVol said:
So rather than going to Sandusky's direct superior, the GA should have gone to the facilities director to make sure that the locker room is a child-rape free zone?
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I feel certain I listed off atleast three others to be notifed. You're hung up on this, and for why, I'm not sure.
 
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#205
Here is the appropriate statute

(b) Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. Board regulated practitioners who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the Board regulated practitioner, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), (c) and (d).
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TXVOL07 said:
Fellas, its not about how you "feel" about something like this. Its what you can prove. Paterno heard a rumor and told his boss.

The man was not convicted of any crime as of yet.
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It's Joe Freaking Paterno. He doesn't in any but a legal sense have a "boss" in the Penn State athletic department. All authority in that organization ultimately stops with him.

He hears an allegation that a former coach, about whom there had already been pedophila allegations, is raping a little kid in his team's locker room. He responds by doing the absolute minimum -- he tells a guy who is technically his boss, and that's it. It doesn't go any further. No cops, no followup. Sandusky keeps bringing kids to the football program for MOST OF ANOTHER DECADE.

Everybody at Penn State wanted this problem to go away so they just ignored it. Including Paterno. It's reprehensible.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Because it's Child Abuse, as many of you pointed out already. Not Penn State Football t-shirt theft.

Joe is not the authority on much outside of PSU Football. He's a football coach, not God/Judge/jury/prosecutor/ end all be all at a major educational institution.

Just a ball coach guys.
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He's a person! If someboyd had witnessed something that horrible and told me, I would go straight to the police. Worrying about being sued for defamation should be the last thing on anybody's mind if, by not acting, it puts other children at risk!!!
 
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TXVOL07 said:
an accessory? Holy crap!
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Think of it this way:

GA: "Joe Pa, I was in the athletics center last night when I came across ex-coach Sanducky murdering some guy."

Joe Pa: "Understood, I'll take this right to the AD [not the police]."

At that point, AD doesn't report the crime to the police, make no internal investigation of their own to either confirm or rebut the report, and then Joe Pa and AD later make sworn statements to a PA grand jury that they know something innapropriate happened, but had no idea what. People would be outraged.

Same fact pattern. I don't see why you think people should treat child rape any different than murder.
 
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#210
Here's a good example:

Say I come to the office and a former co-worker is in the copy room, stealing a box of paper. I see it. I'm not going to run to my boss's secratary and say, hey, dude is stealing paper!

I'd go to my boss.

Now, put that little puzzle together and see if its clearer now.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Here's a good example:

Say I come to the office and a former co-worker is in the copy room, stealing a box of paper. I see it. I'm not going to run to my boss's secratary and say, hey, dude is stealing paper!

I'd go to my boss.

Now, put that little puzzle together and see if its clearer now.
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The GA went to his boss.

What are you talking about?
 
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TXVOL07 said:
It sure as hell would if the defendant was found innocent, provided the defendant so chose to counter sue.

Due process is a b!tch that way.
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Counter sue for what? Again, I don't think you have a grasp of the burden of proof for defamation cases.

It's knowing/gross negligence. It's not simply a strict liability threshold.
 
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#213
That bylaw is moot. A child didn't report it. The act was witnessed. All bets are off. Immediately.
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TXVOL07 said:
I feel certain I listed off atleast three others to be notifed. You're hung up on this, and for why, I'm not sure.
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On page 12:

"Nope, barner, I dont. I really think the GA should have skipped going to yalls perceived "2nd Coming of Christ @ PSU" and directed his efforts towards contacting A. The Admin, B. The Facilities Director, and C. The authorities instead of kicking the water cooler with JoePa about his ole buddy."

Rather than going to Sandusky's direct superior, you advocate that the GA Gould have gone to the Admin (AD and University president, I assume), the facilities director (?), and the authorities. With the exception of #2, I don't disagree with your list. I'm just trying to understand why the GA shouldn't have gone to JoePa.
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Did somebody stay in a holiday inn last night or graduate from university of phoenix law school.
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#216
I'll look at it from a "personal" view for you. If you honestly think, that old man Paterno condoned this in any way as to sweep it under the rug (for whatever reason), I'm not sure I can convince you of the lack of legal ramifications of his actions.

Sandusy was wrong. He was caught. The incident was reported, beit not through proper channels intially, and now those in the know, beit limited knowledge or speculation, will have to answer for all of this. Paterno included. I'm not arguing that. I just cant grasp why the GA didnt go straight to the proper personel first.

"God-like figure" be damned. I'd skip letting a 90 year old football coach know first and head straight to the top.
 
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PaVolsFan said:
Not true. Under PA law, and most states for that matter, Paterno was legally in the right by reporting the information to his superior. Morally and ethically in the wrong, but legally in the clear.
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Uh listen as social worker and working with children myself I know in this state you are required to notify the police or DHS. End of story. If you dont then you get what you had here--swept under the rug. You tell DHS or the law and tell your boss.Plus, You CANNOT be fired or disciplined for notifying the law or DHS either. That's why they anonymous hotlines to notify them.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
I'll look at it from a "personal" view for you. If you honestly think, that old man Paterno condoned this in any way as to sweep it under the rug (for whatever reason), I'm not sure I can convince you of the lack of legal ramifications of his actions.

Sandusy was wrong. He was caught. The incident was reported, beit not through proper channels intially, and now those in the know, beit limited knowledge or speculation, will have to answer for all of this. Paterno included. I'm not arguing that. I just cant grasp why the GA didnt go straight to the proper personel first.

"God-like figure" be damned. I'd skip letting a 90 year old football coach know first and head straight to the top.
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Agreed.
 
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