Petrino on the UT Game

[Catbone]

The game has a potential of being very close.

 

[Sheath Huler]

Bobby hopes to make Butch the mistress on the back of his motorcycle this weekend.

 

[tim]

Will be closer than most think.

So 100-3 instead of 100-0. I was a bit over zealous in my original prediction.

 

[D.C. Vol]

You have the wrong year. In '11 we had Hunter and Da'rick starting (until Florida).

That Cinci game was the best game UT has put together in 5 years, IMO

2009 Tennessee-Georgia romping of the Bulldogs takes that title (45-19).

 

[kiddiedoc]

Barry Sanders comparisons?

 

[Dragon18]

CBJ is a good coach, but those r a dime a dozen. Petrino is more than a good coach and proven at a high level. CBJ just has the benefit of more talent in regard to star counts, but that's it. Other than home-feild advantage. CBJ came into Neyland with a team that had some decent+ talent and didn't do jack against Dooley. So CBJ may be a good coach, but he isn't a top tier coach. Will he be in the future?? Hope so, but who knows if or when.

We need to take them out early. If we don't we are going to be in for a long ride. CBJ has no room to mess up or time to waste. A win Troy style is not a good sign either, b/c a coach of Petrinos level keeping it close with WAY lower talent in Neyland is a bad sign. If he can't dominante WKY how is he going to handle a top level coach with talent like Bama, UF, USCjr, etc??

At the end of the day CBJ took over a cake walk compared to what Dooley did, and is making a lot more money too. He needs to go from a good coach to a Great coach ASAP!!

I'm sure that the above post is one of the "stir the pot" kind. It is so ignorant on so many levels I don't know where to begin. I think Petrino is in fact a very good coach, but I would take CBJ over him any time. There are too many people who are in the business that place CBJ's coaching in the top tier of coaching that I will take their opinion over the above poster.eace2:

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

CBJ is a good coach, but those r a dime a dozen. Petrino is more than a good coach and proven at a high level. CBJ just has the benefit of more talent in regard to star counts, but that's it. Other than home-feild advantage. CBJ came into Neyland with a team that had some decent+ talent and didn't do jack against Dooley. So CBJ may be a good coach, but he isn't a top tier coach. Will he be in the future?? Hope so, but who knows if or when.

We need to take them out early. If we don't we are going to be in for a long ride. CBJ has no room to mess up or time to waste. A win Troy style is not a good sign either, b/c a coach of Petrinos level keeping it close with WAY lower talent in Neyland is a bad sign. If he can't dominante WKY how is he going to handle a top level coach with talent like Bama, UF, USCjr, etc??

At the end of the day CBJ took over a cake walk compared to what Dooley did, and is making a lot more money too. He needs to go from a good coach to a Great coach ASAP!!

Go be a fan of another team then...He was outmatched talent wise when Cincinnati came here. He was not out coached. We had a good team that year until the injuries started to pile up in the Florida game.

 

[mreed90]

I've never seen a more gun shy fanbase it's crazy we are actually scared of freaking western Kentucky

 

[VolDave53]

Big Dan played a poor game for his ability Saturday. We need him to step it up

Poorly? He was triple teamed most of his limited time in the game. Dan is a 3 down guy, and he only had 4 plays before the score was 14-0, 7 plays before it was 21-0 and 11 plays the first quarter. AP moved the ball well when he sat in the 2nd quarter as evinced by their drive to a FG attempt. He was inserted when they were at the 14 and he pressured the QB every time. His total number of plays for the 2nd quarter was only 7, and for the game, 18.

After the first play, AP did not run the ball anywhere near him. He also never saw action the second half.

He makes the rest of the team better by freeing them up. Several plays, against the spread, he was the lone interior lineman and he was enough. Dan played well.

I think many of those concerned about the Worley performance may be confusing some of Peterman's throws with Worley. 3 throws were not dead on, and only 2 misses. Not bad. Peterman was throwing behind the receiver most of the time.

Just my .02 worth after watching the replay closely.

 

[emainvol]

I've said this before that if our boys are looking ahead to Oregon and take WKU lightly, then they could be in for a hard lesson. However, if they come to play football, then I'm not worried about a guy who averaged less than 5 ypc against Kentucky.

I am. That's a respectable YPC against a good Kentucky front seven. They may suck overall, but it isn't because of those units.

 

[sjt18]

The game has a potential of being very close.

Why are your posts becoming so predictable? You are nothing if not consistent. Pathetically negative... but consistent.

 

[sjt18]

Will be closer than most think.

If so... it is a bad sign with regards to Jones' ability to coach. The talent on these rosters is not close. Yes WKU is dangerous... but a "good" job by Jones yields a 20+ pt win.

 

[mreed90]

If so... it is a bad sign with regards to Jones' ability to coach. The talent on these rosters is not close. Yes WKU is dangerous... but a "good" job by Jones yields a 20+ pt win.

And so it begins.

 

[D.C. Vol]

If so... it is a bad sign with regards to Jones' ability to coach. The talent on these rosters is not close. Yes WKU is dangerous... but a "good" job by Jones yields a 20+ pt win.

Vegas disagrees.

 

[1974Vol]

Tennessee definitely has more talent than WKU. So unless you think the Vols will be looking ahead, unfocused, undisciplined, and generally lethargic, they will win. Margins are hard to project, but based on what I saw against AP I’m thinking Vols cover the 13.5. Its college aged kids so anything is possible but as sharp as they looked Saturday I don’t see the wheels coming off against WKU.

 

[sjt18]

I'm sure that the above post is one of the "stir the pot" kind. It is so ignorant on so many levels I don't know where to begin. I think Petrino is in fact a very good coach, but I would take CBJ over him any time. There are too many people who are in the business that place CBJ's coaching in the top tier of coaching that I will take their opinion over the above poster.eace2:

No... it is neither a "stir the pot" nor is it ignorant.

Petrino is a top tier coach. He has made bad teams good ON THIS LEVEL. I only disagree with Oskie in that Jones may already be a top tier coach waiting to be revealed as such. If he might "become" a top tier coach... it probably won't be at UT. He doesn't have that long of a leash.

 

[MannyD]

Probably true.... but he isn't playing UK this week.

This WKU team is NOT better than the Cincy team UT beat in '11. This UT team SHOULD BE better that that UT team...

It really all comes down to whether Jones is the coach we hope he is. Just ask yourself, if the roles were reversed and Petrino were at UT and Jones were at WKU... what would be the expectations? If Petrino were the coach at UT, what would be the season expectations?

People take shots at me because they think I expect too much of Jones. What I expect is for UT to hire a coach that will take the program back to the top... so the expectation for me does not change with the name on the door. If Jones is the right coach then this is a win and should be by 20+ pts. If he's the right coach then this is a 7 or 8 win roster. Anything less... he's proven nothing on the field that makes him a better coach at UT than Dooley.

What he did at previous stops is nice and makes some feel better about him... but in both cases he followed Kelly who is a first rate coach. He inherited reasonably good situations. Dooley took over one of the most hapless programs in the country in LT... nothing like what Jones walked into twice.

I like Jones' and really do like what he's doing. He's creative, smart, disciplined, and focused. You could not say those things consistently about Dooley. But at the end of the day there is one and only one measure of a coach... WINS. If Jones is better than Dooley then over a 12 game season having inherited a better situation both in program discipline and roster strength that Dooley's '10 season... he should win at least one more game than Dooley did.

You continue to compare apples to oranges. You can't make many relevant comparisons between this team and any of Dooley's teams. Too much roster turnover and lack of continuity. I'm not saying you're wrong to expect TN to be among the best of the best, but you're off base on this one. Give the guy a few years to see what he can do. He can't turn around a losing program overnight.

 

[sjt18]

Tennessee definitely has more talent than WKU. So unless you think the Vols will be looking ahead, unfocused, undisciplined, and generally lethargic, they will win. .

IOW's.... unless Jones is out-coached?

 

[DC Vol]

I think it'll be a somewhat tight game going into the half. Maybe a 7 point lead for us.

However, in the 2nd Half our OL and run game will simply wear them down and out. Jones won't call off the dogs against WKU like he did with AP (a lot of cross-program connection between Jones-AP) and UT will pull away.

 

[orange parmejohn]

IMHO, this DL would destroy that OL and keep Bray from having time to throw. That team could not run... and this one can. And... I think this team is better coached as odd as that sounds. Jones for all his poor mouthing has never coached a more talented team than he has right now.

I am beginning to see a lot of Vince Dooley in Jones when it comes to talking down his roster and talking up his opponents.

when exactly has he talked down the roster?

 

[KingtUT]

I expect to see some plays that are specifically designed to take advantage of our younger defensive backs. Maybe crossing patterns, etc. etc.

Petrino would love to beat us and make a name for himself. Imagine him beating Kentucky in an away game. Then the following week beating Tennessee in an away game.

This would get him alot of attention and possibly a job opportunity, once the season ends. I doudt that Petrino wants to stay in Bowling Green, Kentucky very long.

You think he has to make a name for himself? Really?

 

[beneVOLence]

Probably true.... but he isn't playing UK this week.

This WKU team is NOT better than the Cincy team UT beat in '11. This UT team SHOULD BE better that that UT team...

It really all comes down to whether Jones is the coach we hope he is. Just ask yourself, if the roles were reversed and Petrino were at UT and Jones were at WKU... what would be the expectations? If Petrino were the coach at UT, what would be the season expectations?

People take shots at me because they think I expect too much of Jones. What I expect is for UT to hire a coach that will take the program back to the top... so the expectation for me does not change with the name on the door. If Jones is the right coach then this is a win and should be by 20+ pts. If he's the right coach then this is a 7 or 8 win roster. Anything less... he's proven nothing on the field that makes him a better coach at UT than Dooley.

What he did at previous stops is nice and makes some feel better about him... but in both cases he followed Kelly who is a first rate coach. He inherited reasonably good situations. Dooley took over one of the most hapless programs in the country in LT... nothing like what Jones walked into twice.

I like Jones' and really do like what he's doing. He's creative, smart, disciplined, and focused. You could not say those things consistently about Dooley. But at the end of the day there is one and only one measure of a coach... WINS. If Jones is better than Dooley then over a 12 game season having inherited a better situation both in program discipline and roster strength that Dooley's '10 season... he should win at least one more game than Dooley did.

I always seem to agree with sjt18 on his point. CBJ needs to be held to a higher standard. He has to do better than Dooley or we are waisting our time and we hired the wrong guy.

 

[sjt18]

You continue to compare apples to oranges. You can't make many relevant comparisons between this team and any of Dooley's teams. Too much roster turnover and lack of continuity. I'm not saying you're wrong to expect TN to be among the best of the best, but you're off base on this one. Give the guy a few years to see what he can do. He can't turn around a losing program overnight.

I am NOT comparing apples to oranges. You won't find many more apples to apples comparisons in CFB than the one between Jones' opportunity in '13 compared to Dooley's in '10. The schedules are similar. Jones inherits a better situation and appears to be a better coach. He certainly has a better resume coming in.

Too much roster turnover and lack of continuity? That was much worse 3 years ago too. The ONLY quality OL Dooley inherited bolted. Kiffin had just the year before performed a roster purge of guys he didn't want to go forward with who might have contributed for another coach. Talented players were still being lost to off the field problems.

Fulmer had just recently been fired after letting program discipline descend into the lower regions of hades. He had virtually lost the ability to recruit players with talent who could stay eligible in the numbers needed to sustain an even mid-level SEC program.


You are either vastly overestimating the problems Jones has inherited or vastly underestimating how bad the program was 3 and 4 years ago.

Yes. The right coach will make a difference right away. It takes talent to go from the bottom to the top. It takes depth of talent. UT lacks the second for sure. But to go from 5 wins to 7 is VERY MUCH within the range of difference a good coach can make over a bad one.

I don't expect UT to be this year's TAM. Worley definitely isn't Manzel. However, I think the comparison with Hugh Freeze is a legit one. He made an immediate and significant impact on Ole Miss.


Are you really, honestly saying that the standard for Jones should NOT be higher than the standard set by Dooley?

And I'll ask you too. If UT had hired Petrino, Gruden, or your pick of the "elite" coaches... would your expectations be different? If so... why lower the standard?

 

[1974Vol]

Will be closer than most think.

Outside Vol Nation people think its a 2 TD game. So you think its closer than that? :ermm:

 

[KingtUT]

He inherited no QB's who were on the roster the previous year... and his only SEC level RB was Poole.

Other than the one CB spot... he did not. By the end of the season it was so bad that Teague started as a Fr.

Moore, McNeil, Randolph>Jackson, Waggner, Brewer IMO.

Coleman/Sutton > Anderson or Waggner/Teague IMO.

Not even ballpark close. Dooley inherited ZERO SEC quality DT's. He only inherited one guy with the size and he didn't make it through the season. Ayres, Vic Thomas, and M Jackson whose natural position was SDE played DT. They had Ayres starting at times as a walk on at 265.

Both starting DE's had chronic injury problems. There was no depth to speak of. The best two subs were probably Hood and Miller as much younger players. No. And it really isn't close. I'll take what UT has in their first 4 LB's this year over '10 every day of the week.

I'm not trying to beat you up... but that roster was horrible... and then basically took a step back in '11 after Hunter went down.


IMHO, Jones' year 2 looks ALOT like Dooley's year 2 roster wise. This year UT has several talented Sr's and Jr's that will likely be gone next year. Fr and Sophs will fill the depth chart and comprise the bulk of UT's best talent in '14.



Again, if UT had gotten Petrino, Fisher, or even Chuckie... what would the expectation be? This is a 7 or 8 win roster for the "right" coach. I want that to be Jones but am honest with myself about the possibility that he is not.

First time ever writing this..........GTFO!