Petrino on the UT Game

[Ape82008]

Negavols. Tennessee will put WKU back in its place.

 

[Gruuden]

CBJ is a good coach, but those r a dime a dozen. Petrino is more than a good coach and proven at a high level. CBJ just has the benefit of more talent in regard to star counts, but that's it. Other than home-feild advantage. CBJ came into Neyland with a team that had some decent+ talent and didn't do jack against Dooley. So CBJ may be a good coach, but he isn't a top tier coach. Will he be in the future?? Hope so, but who knows if or when.

We need to take them out early. If we don't we are going to be in for a long ride. CBJ has no room to mess up or time to waste. A win Troy style is not a good sign either, b/c a coach of Petrinos level keeping it close with WAY lower talent in Neyland is a bad sign. If he can't dominante WKY how is he going to handle a top level coach with talent like Bama, UF, USCjr, etc??

At the end of the day CBJ took over a cake walk compared to what Dooley did, and is making a lot more money too. He needs to go from a good coach to a Great coach ASAP!!

If CBJ can coach half as good as he can recruit, its a done deal, he will be one of the best UT has ever had. He has been at UT less than a year and has one of the best classes ever assembled at UT coming in next year. All he will have to do is be mediocre(Mark Richt) and he will be succesful. Having good players is what its all about. College football is 85% recruiting, 15% coaching. The top 5 teams in the country are in the top 10 recruiting every year, by the end of the year. Petrino is a good coach, but he is a better recruiter.

 

[scottvols69]

Petrino is a good coach, but he is a better recruiter.

Plenty of things to call Petrino but good recruiter isn't one of them.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

We really need to demolish WKU, their fans are almost on the level of the Commie Dore faithful (however few and far between they are).

 

[admiralbaseball]

WKU Will Give Us Plenty To Worry About

 

[volgrad500]

The talent level between these two teams is staggering. Throw in home field advantage, and we should win this by 3 touchdowns. My only concern is we will be three weeks into this season before we really get a chance to gauge our squad.

 

[sjt18]

Which leads me back to the statement that CBJ has “talked down” his roster; CBJ has said that EVERYONE must improve to be a successful football team. CBJ has praised players throughout the Spring and Fall camps but he expects each player to improve in all facets of the game, as any coach or boss expects.

This is actually pretty impressive on his part. Neal could have easily come away from AP with a swollen head. He really felt like he had done something. Then Jones starts talking about yards being left on the field... and Neal humbles himself and agrees after having his performance critiqued. Dooley wouldn't have had the first clue how to do this... and I am not sure any of his coaches would have either including Graham. Fulmer had a long pattern of letting player egos grow out of control.

IMO, this ability of Jones to keep guys grounded through criticism without destroying their confidence... is "impressive as heck".

 

[sjt18]

I bet you sleep well at night. Must take a significant amount of energy to get all the way up on that horse and bless us with your posts each day.

If you have something to say... say it. It doesn't make you smart to take shots at people who think their opinions through rather than being led around on a leash.

 

[SayNoToJorts]

I think UT comes into this ready to play and wins this game by 30+. The talent gap is far too large and Butch is way too smart to overlook anyone

 

[KingtUT]

Yes. It will be a strong indication that Jones is the wrong guy. As I said earlier, I see absolutely no reason to have a different expectation for this game with Jones as UT's HC as we would if Petrino was UT's HC. If Petrino were the HC... most of those talking "close game" would be expecting a 3 TD win. If Jones is "the guy" then he has to be as good as Petrino.... Saban... Meyer... et al. If not then we either accept being second class or accept that he will be replaced within 3 or 4 years.

If Petrino was our coach and Butch was WKU's, i would be a little worried in that scenario too. However, I would still expect us to win just like I do now.

 

[sjt18]

If we win 8 games CBJ should be SEC coach of the year

He wouldn't... but you may be right that he should.

FTR, all these folks saying six wins... what does that mean? It means they expect Jones to only beat the teams he has a talent advantage over. Sorry but that may get you back to being an also ran.... it won't make UT a championship program. The UT HC MUST be good enough to outcoach teams with more talent.

Do you know why UF, Bama, et al win championships? Because they fire coaches that win 6-8 games a year. If UT is ever to reach that level... then they cannot settle for a coach that only wins when he has more talent.

 

[sjt18]

If Petrino was our coach and Butch was WKU's, i would be a little worried in that scenario too. However, I would still expect us to win just like I do now.

Yeah. If I remember correctly, your attitude was about right on this game IMO. My comment was more towards those who don't think a significant talent gap exists.

WKU has enough to be dangerous. It "should be" a 20 pt win.

 

[sjt18]

I'm not sure where the whole notion that if we don't beat WKU by 20, Jones isn't the right coach thing comes from. The starters might be up 35. Jones pulls the starters for a quarter and a half to let the others get reps. WKU scores a few times while UT sticks to a very vanilla playbook to avoid showing its' hand to future opponents. This results in a victory by 17 points. Fire Butch, right?

I can buy that scenario. I am saying UT's 1st teamers are 20 pts better than theirs. IMHO, the backups are unlikely to see much time and only late if they do. WKU is more dangerous than APSU plus Jones said he wants to see the starters play closer to a full game at full speed.

 

[sjt18]

I bet you sleep well at night. Must take a significant amount of energy to get all the way up on that horse and bless us with your posts each day.

Go ahead if you have the ba.... err, gumption and tell us how you think this will go. How long should Jones get? What should be the expectation for winning and by when?

I am sure you think smart aleck comments count for thoughtfulnes... but put your money where you mouth is. Give a REAL opinion and defend it.

 

[KingtUT]

Then take me on... point by point. With something other than a dullard's "huh-uh".

I am "clueless"... but I am the one that keeps point to facts and keeps using reason. Tell me again how that works...

Seems like Saban lost to a vastly inferior team (louisiana monroe, a bad sun belt team at the time) his first year, last time I checked he turned out to be a pretty good coach anyway. The talent gap between these two teams is a little closer than that one IMO. There is one of your points shot to hell. While I understand the point your attempting to make, I'm gonna try not to make my final judgement on his ultimate success as a HC based off of one upset loss if it did happen. No doubt it would suck and make me wonder if he's actually the right one but its not written in stone that one upset loss means you cant get it done. Again, I don't think we're gonna have to worry about it.

 

[Oskie Volum]

I'm not sure where the whole notion that if we don't beat WKU by 20, Jones isn't the right coach thing comes from. The starters might be up 35. Jones pulls the starters for a quarter and a half to let the others get reps. WKU scores a few times while UT sticks to a very vanilla playbook to avoid showing its' hand to future opponents. This results in a victory by 17 points. Fire Butch, right?

This just proves ur inability to judge and understand others. If u truly understood Sjt, or even me, you'd be able to know that we'd see the difference between what the first teamers did before CBJ switched up to give the 2nd teamers some playing time. If this were the case he and I would be shown something by CBJ. Sjt and I aren't fools.

U may not understand our pov and just want to be a smartazz, etc, but just like he said we want to be challenged cause it makes our opnions stronger. Doesn't help when doofuses comment with "u must sleep well at night thinking u r so smart" or the mega-ignorant go-to "go find another team to root for" yadda yadda yadda. Makes y'all look like fools.

So Sjt welcome to the club old friend :hi: This thread brought back memories of what I was getting since the middle of last season. Only if we could get Freak to set-up a group convo thread where only certain people can comment. U get voted in or out by the group, and it all depends on ur ability to have a civil discussion. Agree or disagree on certain topics doesn't matter just able to have a grown-up convo. None of the crap some of these people comment with. Would be nice right?? :good!:

 

[TBrown]

This just proves ur inability to judge and understand others. If u truly understood Sjt, or even me, you'd be able to know that we'd see the difference between what the first teamers did before CBJ switched up to give the 2nd teamers some playing time. If this were the case he and I would be shown something by CBJ. Sjt and I aren't fools.

U may not understand our pov and just want to be a smartazz, etc, but just like he said we want to be challenged cause it makes our opnions stronger. Doesn't help when doofuses comment with "u must sleep well at night thinking u r so smart" or the mega-ignorant go-to "go find another team to root for" yadda yadda yadda. Makes y'all look like fools.

So Sjt welcome to the club old friend :hi: This thread brought back memories of what I was getting since the middle of last season. Only if we could get Freak to set-up a group convo thread where only certain people can comment. U get voted in or out by the group, and it all depends on ur ability to have a civil discussion. Agree or disagree on certain topics doesn't matter just able to have a grown-up convo. None of the crap some of these people comment with. Would be nice right?? :good!:

lol..the self-righteous back-patters. There, I named the thread for you. Crank it up and enjoy your circle jerk.

 

[LotteryPick]

Dooley lovers have a strong presence in this thread.

 

[LotteryPick]

This just proves ur inability to judge and understand others. If u truly understood Sjt, or even me, you'd be able to know that we'd see the difference between what the first teamers did before CBJ switched up to give the 2nd teamers some playing time. If this were the case he and I would be shown something by CBJ. Sjt and I aren't fools.

U may not understand our pov and just want to be a smartazz, etc, but just like he said we want to be challenged cause it makes our opnions stronger. Doesn't help when doofuses comment with "u must sleep well at night thinking u r so smart" or the mega-ignorant go-to "go find another team to root for" yadda yadda yadda. Makes y'all look like fools.

So Sjt welcome to the club old friend :hi: This thread brought back memories of what I was getting since the middle of last season. Only if we could get Freak to set-up a group convo thread where only certain people can comment. U get voted in or out by the group, and it all depends on ur ability to have a civil discussion. Agree or disagree on certain topics doesn't matter just able to have a grown-up convo. None of the crap some of these people comment with. Would be nice right?? :good!:

Stop acting like you're some complex individual and get off your high horse. Anyone that can't properly type out "you" and "you're" has absolutely no room to call out someone else.

 

[MannyD]

He wouldn't... but you may be right that he should.

FTR, all these folks saying six wins... what does that mean? It means they expect Jones to only beat the teams he has a talent advantage over. Sorry but that may get you back to being an also ran.... it won't make UT a championship program. The UT HC MUST be good enough to outcoach teams with more talent.

Do you know why UF, Bama, et al win championships? Because they fire coaches that win 6-8 games a year. If UT is ever to reach that level... then they cannot settle for a coach that only wins when he has more talent.

Fortunately they don't fire them after one season. Give it rest.

 

[The Orange Pants]

Had it not been for the best thread on this site, I wouldn't have known this character called me out.

Regarding 1s v 2s, nothing was specified. A blanket statement was made. Whatever.
I'm the one who can't understand others? Dude you're so far up your own ass you can't even see anyone else, much less understand them. You're a joke. You want some type of exclusive area for you and your crew to talk? Make a new site. This isn't Nazi Germany where you determine who is inferior.

 

[sjt18]

Seems like Saban lost to a vastly inferior team (louisiana monroe, a bad sun belt team at the time) his first year, last time I checked he turned out to be a pretty good coach anyway.

Alot of people keep pointing to this one thing as if it proves something. It was an anomaly.... It is NOT the rule. Generally, great coaches come in and make a positive impact right away. Saban did at LSU. Freeze did at Ole Miss. Spurrier did at both his stops. Sumlin has. Meyer did.

I have pointed out several times that Saban's first team at Bama was similar to Kiffin's year at UT. He broke alot of eggs because the discipline problems were so bad. He cut some guys loose who weren't contributing.

Jones really doesn't have to establish discipline. He doesn't have off the field problems to speak of. By his own confession, the team and especially the upper classmen have bought into his program.

This team has very little in common with Saban's first team at Bama except that both had thin spots and had to depend on some youth.

The talent gap between these two teams is a little closer than that one IMO.

No. It is actually a good bit closer. But again, you don't pick out an exceptional data point and use it to make a general rule.

There is one of your points shot to hell.

Nice try. But I don't think so.

While I understand the point your attempting to make, I'm gonna try not to make my final judgement on his ultimate success as a HC based off of one upset loss if it did happen.

But weren't you among those who did just that with Dooley after the UK loss? Maybe I have you confused but I thought you were in that mob. To that point, UK was the only team Dooley had lost to that didn't have more talent than he did. He obviously went on to lose to a bunch last year that didn't have as much talent... but you now say one game should not be enough to draw conclusions.

I would never draw a conclusion on a single game. I am not even saying I would draw an ironclad conclusion based on a single season. However this team has the talent to win 7 games. It simply does if he is able to outcoach someone. He gets six chances to do that... and should be able to do it once. If he can't... then that is at least an indicator against him being able to do it in the future. Not only that, it suggests he could perform even worse next year when the roster gets worse before perhaps starting to get better in '15. That leaves him squarely on a hot seat in '15.

No doubt it would suck and make me wonder if he's actually the right one but its not written in stone that one upset loss means you cant get it done. Again, I don't think we're gonna have to worry about it.

Me neither. I think he wins this game and I think he wins 7 games. I think the buzz around one of these weekends will be about how Jones outcoached one of the "elite" coaches.

And THAT to me is what will point toward him being the right guy for UT.

 

[utvolpj]

Had it not been for the best thread on this site, I wouldn't have known this character called me out.

Regarding 1s v 2s, nothing was specified. A blanket statement was made. Whatever.
I'm the one who can't understand others? Dude you're so far up your own ass you can't even see anyone else, much less understand them. You're a joke. You want some type of exclusive area for you and your crew to talk? Make a new site. This isn't Nazi Germany where you determine who is inferior.

are you talking about this thread where you run to gloat over your clever responses?

http://www.volnation.com/forum/mlb-baseball/198280-atlanta-braves-thread-javy-lopez-edition-196.html

 

[sjt18]

Fortunately they don't fire them after one season. Give it rest.

I have never suggested that UT fire anyone after one season. If Jones goes 5-7 this year... what do you think his record will be after 3 years?

 

[sjt18]

Had it not been for the best thread on this site, I wouldn't have known this character called me out.

Regarding 1s v 2s, nothing was specified. A blanket statement was made. Whatever.
I'm the one who can't understand others? Dude you're so far up your own ass you can't even see anyone else, much less understand them. You're a joke. You want some type of exclusive area for you and your crew to talk? Make a new site. This isn't Nazi Germany where you determine who is inferior.

Really? This is what you resort to? We aren't the ones going into histrionics because someone disagreed with us on a chat board... If I someone disagrees with me then I consider their point and either change my view or answer them.

If you are that thin skinned then it is YOU that needs to get over yourself. Its a chat board. People disagree. That's half the fun of it and especially if you DON'T take yourself too serious. And in spite of what you may THINK you know about me... I am not accused by anyone who knows me in person of taking myself too serious.

Instead of continuing to stomp your feet... why not actually make a case?

Lay your actual ideas out there. What do YOU think are reasonable expectations for winning from Jones? How long? How does he get there? How does he survive if he doesn't have early success?