Petrino to Arkansas

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#151
utmba93 said:
Actually, for what it's worth, I liked the contribution he made in the post you criticized.

These "up and coming" coaches cannot build a legacy on potential. At some point, they too have to produce results. And, when they fail, it's as fair to point that out as it is to tout how great they are before they've proven anything.

You're right about one thing. Coaching may not be as easy to do as it is to criticize. But, UT fans need not limit their criticism to our coaches to be good fans. Heck, there's plenty to attack in all these new guys who are going to 'revolutionize the game.'

Doing something no other team does and gives a team an advantage in the short run, but doing something that is sustainable is the true test of a coach. The former can be done moving every few years, but the later requires some stability.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me.
 
#153
#153
I cant believe Petrino didn't wait to see if Miles took the michigan job, or tried to get the michigan job himself
 
#158
#158
Well as I said yesterday no one knew the entire situation and some were still calling Petrino out. It seems a lot of know-it-alls here based some comments on ignorance of the situation. Mortensen on ESPN (among others I've heard this morning) said this discussion between Petrino and Falcons upstairs management has been going on for at least the past two weeks. Discussions were ongoing about the direction of the team and about needed changes. It was also known for at least a week that Petrino was interested in the Arkansas job. It seems that "evil" Petrino HAS been talking to Blank and McKay about the situation unlike what some have said. It also seems that D'Hall has AGAIN put his foot in his mouth with public comments trashing the guy. I love Hall's quote about him giving his coach his all and how much support HE has given Petrino. I guess cussing your coach out in front of a national audience and then slamming him in interviews is Hall's idea of giving his coach his all.

So any talk about how crappy it was for Petrino to just bolt at the last minute without telling anyone can be tossed.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
So any talk about how crappy it was for Petrino to just bolt at the last minute without telling anyone can be tossed.
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Great . . . he had a conversation with Blank and/or McKay. It's bad enough that he quit midseason without speaking to any players, but don't you think that the least he could have done was spend more than 30 seconds telling his assistant coaches that he was getting ready to hang them all out to dry?

I understand maybe that he was put under a deadline and had to move quickly, but you can't just ask a bunch of people to buy into you and then just walk out on them and expect everybody to get a free pass.
 
#160
#160
IMO...it was a dumb hire to begin with.....had he been fired..what would the reaction be? Sympathy? I doubt it! The Falcons had the makings of a stable franchise with Blank and Mckay but when they made that hire I knew better...they got what they deserved! Carrying Vick when they could of built the franchise with a trade a few years ago...but instead they bring in an unproven coach and chose to build around MV! Don't blame BP.....they should of expected it! Just be thankful Blank didn't buy the Braves!
 
#161
#161
Again, do you know every conversation that has gone on? Before Mortensen, everyone thought this was a spur of the moment 'goodbye'. Considering his brother is one of the assistants, I'd say he probably knew. It's just funny how people are trashing the guy when no one here knows the whole story. Perhaps the ones with feelings hurt are just bitter because they've bought into this garbage we've been sold for the past few years and need someone to take it out on.

Breaking news, the Falcons had issues before Petrino. Follow up is that this mentality has been seeping in from top to bottom. You've had three enablers for the past few years contributing to this. Petrino comes in to buy into what Blank sold him which was not accurate. Frankly if I went in somewhere that was inaccurately sold and then the upper management did absolutely nothing to help me make it better then I'd leave too. Why remain and let the team fester more? This is a business. If something does not work, you make the change quickly. Clearly the players as you say were not buying into Petrino. So would you make the stupid decision to keep him there another month to add to the already downward spiraling situation or would you cut the losses for both sides and let each side go about bettering themselves?

If the situation was as bad as you say, it would be completely stupid to keep him there. Both sides now have the means to better themselves much more quickly than did he remain there.
 
#163
#163
cd12 said:
IMO...it was a dumb hire to begin with.....
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I agree . . . but a LOT of people bought into him when he was brought in. In hindsight, he was terrible at relating to professional football players.

I think Petrino, Saban and Spurrier have done a good job of ensuring that there won't be too many college coaches getting a shot in the NFL anytime soon.
 
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#164
CSpindizzy said:
Frankly if I went in somewhere that was inaccurately sold and then the upper management did absolutely nothing to help me make it better then I'd leave too. Why remain and let the team fester more?
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I think what this all came down to is that Petrino got into a job that he was ill suited for and just became miserable and decided that it was worth it to take a $2 million pay cut. I don't think the Mike Vick situation or Falcons management was going to ever matter.
 
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GAVol said:
In other news, Mitch Mustain is somewhere cursing right now.
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That's exactly what I thought.

Given the QB talent here at Arkansas, Petrino is going to have to develop the hell out 'em, and if you think QB's are an issue look at the recievers.

The FB lead the team in receptions.
 
#166
#166
GAVol said:
Great . . . he had a conversation with Blank and/or McKay. It's bad enough that he quit midseason without speaking to any players, but don't you think that the least he could have done was spend more than 30 seconds telling his assistant coaches that he was getting ready to hang them all out to dry?

I understand maybe that he was put under a deadline and had to move quickly, but you can't just ask a bunch of people to buy into you and then just walk out on them and expect everybody to get a free pass.
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And what about the players? What about the guys whom he spent all year asking for "total commitment," the guys who've been playing hurt all year even though the team has been doing nothing but circling around the toilet?

It's a gutless way to go out.
 
#167
#167
CSpindizzy said:
Again, do you know every conversation that has gone on? Before Mortensen, everyone thought this was a spur of the moment 'goodbye'. Considering his brother is one of the assistants, I'd say he probably knew. It's just funny how people are trashing the guy when no one here knows the whole story. Perhaps the ones with feelings hurt are just bitter because they've bought into this garbage we've been sold for the past few years and need someone to take it out on.
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I'm not bitter because I "bought into this garbage"; it's been obvious for a couple of years that building around Vick was a mistake. I'm just disgusted by the gutless way he went out. It's the lowest point in team history and the coach just walks out. It's sports; my team sucks; of course I'm bitter.

And thanks for calling me an ignorant know-it-all because Chris Mortensen, an Arkansas man, defended Petrino. Soooie Pig!
 
#168
#168
when firing a coach are the players and asst coaches consulted before the move?
 
#169
#169
Mortensen was walking a tight rope in that interview. I think he'd probably have a much stronger opinion if he wasn't trying to temper everything for the sake of his son at Arkansas. He's in an awkward position.
 
#170
#170
petrino might not take arkansas to the SEC championship, but they will be competitive and interesting. better hire than others they were considering. still not sure how this is better than nutt though.
 
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#171
GAVol said:
I think Petrino, Saban and Spurrier have done a good job of ensuring that there won't be too many college coaches getting a shot in the NFL anytime soon.
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There will still be some dumbass owner throwing millions at a college coach to see if he can win "at the next level"

It will happen within the next two years. Boston College's coach will be the next one to jump.
 
#172
#172
Any one want to put an over under bet on how many points per game Arkansas will score next year?

44 PPG

Also, any one want to put an over under of Jones' rushing totals.

2,000 yards 20 tds
 
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Vercingetorix said:
And thanks for calling me an ignorant know-it-all because Chris Mortensen, an Arkansas man, defended Petrino. Soooie Pig!
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Do you know everything that happened? Clearly none of us do. I'm as ignorant of the situation as you. Sorry you feel insulted but a fact is a fact.

So I guess you'd rather a miserable coach stay with miserable players on a miserable team making EVERYONE even more miserable. I guess your solution is to make a bad situation even more worse. The fact still remains the same - the players STILL have this poor work ethic and attitude. Upper management keeps playing the victim card when they are the ones who are ultimately responsible for the current status of the team. Are they that out of touch with what is going on? Instead of being best friends with these guys perhaps they need a better pulse on the team. Blame Petrino all you want but the funk this team is in was there before Petrino and will keep going until players themselves decide to make the change. Yeah, Petrino could have changed the attitude or motivate these guys. But did they put their best effort forth? These guys are all adults and professionals. But yet calling out your coach on live radio, television, or print is pathetic. If anything Petrino should have been benching these guys for childish behavior. Perhaps he had more hope that these guys would have been more mature. At the end of the day, they can either keep whining about Petrino or crying about Vick or they can cowboy the you know what up and move on. Having 'victim' sessions before the camera does nothing. McKay should be ordering a media lockout on these interviews. Player after player breaks laws or does stupid things and yet all they can respond to is being a victim. Move on.
 
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