Pig Howard?

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I was under the impression that being a VFL meant you had the support and encouragement of the Vol family. That you were sometimes the one who needed the support, and sometimes the one who gives it.
 
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BennisDrewer said:
VFL....Every poster on VN is one, while 2/3's of the guys who have actually strapped on a helmet for UT are not.
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This right here. The term gets thrown around a lot, and it's hard to say where the line should be drawn - I like Cordarrelle Patterson, but the dude never went to class and played all of 12 games at Tennessee. But we're more than happy to claim him, of course. What about fans that went to school elsewhere, for whatever reason? What about fired head coaches? What about fired head coaches who are now employed by Auburn University, but take every chance possible to mention Tennessee and their love for it? What about guys from Michigan who seem really happy to be here but probably didn't much care about UT before they were hired? What about fired head coaches who were native sons of East Tennessee, played for and graduated from UT, and won us a national championship and conference championships? Why do we give Dave Hart so much crap about being a Bama grad, yet heap praise on another Bama grad (and former Bear Bryant assistant) named David who coached our offense to the greatest period of UT football most of us have ever seen?

The Volunteer Spirit is hard thing to define, and I think it goes much deeper than just UT sports, down to the roots of what makes the state of Tennessee such a special place and Tennesseeans such a rare breed of people. JMO. But then there's all the great Vols that haven't been from Tennessee, and Tennessee fans from all over the world... so that could all go out the window, depending on how you look at it.

Just my take on it.
 
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1982Alum said:
I agree it should be their decision but as you noted earlier it's a 4 year commitment with values that are intended to carry on for a lifetime.

One game and/or one year and out (or two years) falls woefully short I feel.
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No it's not a 4 year commitment. Scholarships are awarded yearly and have been since the 70s. A school can pull a scholarship at any time for any reason and they do so frequently.
 
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True VFL = Peyton Manning, Reggie White, General Neyland, Johnny Majors, and Phil Fulmer. There are others like them. They played here, coached here, and are still here in life or spirit. The things they have done for this university are amazing. We are more VFFL's (Vol Fans For Life), But we shortened it to VFL as to not confuse the Vandy fans. :lol:
 
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1982Alum said:
VFLs? The best of the best. The pillars of the UT program. We know the names:

Manning
White
Berry
Al Wilson
Cafego
Majors

...continue

Those that distinquish themselves on AND off the field for a life time (Vol for Life!). A good Georgia game by Howard is not quite cutting it into the VFL ranks in my opinion.
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Thats not how it works. You're a VFL if u ever donned the orange. Except for a few cases like Nukeese, Creer, Etc. Its not just the Hall of Famers that get VFL status.its the backups too.
 
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1982Alum said:
I agree it should be their decision but as you noted earlier it's a 4 year commitment with values that are intended to carry on for a lifetime.

One game and/or one year and out (or two years) falls woefully short I feel.
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So if you came from a JUCO you cant be a VFL? You cant just makea cookie cutter definition for sometjing like this.
 
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Vol865 said:
So if you came from a JUCO you cant be a VFL? You cant just makea cookie cutter definition for sometjing like this.
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Oh, OK. Then just annoint as a VFL any warm body that wears an Orange T-shirt I guess. Yeah, that's a good discriminator.
 
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1982Alum said:
Oh, OK. Then just annoint as a VFL any warm body that wears an Orange T-shirt I guess. Yeah, that's a good discriminator.
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You act like its anointing someone King lol.


" Well son, I have reviewed your last 5 years on this earth and Im happy to call you a Vol for Life. Nothing comes with this title besides what you already had but you can now call yourself a VFL and be called it by your peers."


This is pretty much your definition. If that makes sense to you than I dont know what else to say besides that im willing to bet they've done more for the university than yourself.
 
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At the end of last season I was excoriated for saying the Pig would not see the field much next year and if he does we're in big trouble. He wasn't clutch. What was everyone's infatuation with the Pig. Was it the nickname? It sure wasn't his play.
 
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1982Alum said:
Oh, OK. Then just annoint as a VFL any warm body that wears an Orange T-shirt I guess. Yeah, that's a good discriminator.
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So wait...Just because a 15,16,17 year old kid made poor choices school wise in HS, and had to go the JUCO route before coming to TN makes them lesser Vols?

If you go to community college, then finish up your bs at UT. What does your degree say?
 
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Sandvol said:
At the end of last season I was excoriated for saying the Pig would not see the field much next year and if he does we're in big trouble. He wasn't clutch. What was everyone's infatuation with the Pig. Was it the nickname? It sure wasn't his play.
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He played fine most of the time when someone get the ball inhis hands besides the dirt. Every receiver drops a couple but yall act like he couldn't catch when he led the team in receptions.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
This right here. The term gets thrown around a lot, and it's hard to say where the line should be drawn - I like Cordarrelle Patterson, but the dude never went to class and played all of 12 games at Tennessee. But we're more than happy to claim him, of course. What about fans that went to school elsewhere, for whatever reason? What about fired head coaches? What about fired head coaches who are now employed by Auburn University, but take every chance possible to mention Tennessee and their love for it? What about guys from Michigan who seem really happy to be here but probably didn't much care about UT before they were hired? What about fired head coaches who were native sons of East Tennessee, played for and graduated from UT, and won us a national championship and conference championships? Why do we give Dave Hart so much crap about being a Bama grad, yet heap praise on another Bama grad (and former Bear Bryant assistant) named David who coached our offense to the greatest period of UT football most of us have ever seen?

The Volunteer Spirit is hard thing to define, and I think it goes much deeper than just UT sports, down to the roots of what makes the state of Tennessee such a special place and Tennesseeans such a rare breed of people. JMO. But then there's all the great Vols that haven't been from Tennessee, and Tennessee fans from all over the world... so that could all go out the window, depending on how you look at it.

Just my take on it.
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This is a beautiful and rational post.
 
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Vol865 said:
You act like its anointing someone King lol.


" Well son, I have reviewed your last 5 years on this earth and Im happy to call you a Vol for Life. Nothing comes with this title besides what you already had but you can now call yourself a VFL and be called it by your peers."


This is pretty much your definition. If that makes sense to you than I dont know what else to say besides that im wo lying to bet they've done more for the university than yourself.
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I did at least get an education from UT (and a degree), learned to spell, and learned how to construct sentences that someone could read and understand. You on the other hand, can not do either.
 
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KBVol said:
Who's saying they don't want him on the field? I haven't seen that. We all wish him well and hope he makes it back. The debate is who's the more talented player between him and Von Pearson....I don't think it's particularly close. Pearson's gonna start at slot whether Pig comes back or not. I'd love to have Pig come back and join the slot rotation, but I don't think he's start ahead of Von at this point....maybe if he'd not had the issues and played in the Spring....but not now.
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I'm with you. Pig is still a human being, but until Von fumbles on the pylon, or blocks in the back on a game winning touchdown, I'll go with Von. That's 7-5 instead of 5-7, just sayin!
 
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1982Alum said:
I did at least get an education from UT (and a degree), learned to spell, and learned how to construct sentences that someone could read and understand. You on the other hand, can not do either.
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I can do such things. I just choose not to, because a message board is not a literature paper.



Does that work for you, sir. Now do you think you can come up with a valid argument, sir.
 
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Jones said in 2 weeks some clarity will be brouht to the situation on whether Alton will remain on the team. Multiple sources close to the program say it unlikely that Howard will return to the team. Jones isn't ready to confirm this, but added he will soon have something to report. "I've met with Alton a number of times, and we'll have a decision on how we're moving forward in the next couple of weeks," Jones said.

GoVols247
 
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OK so does anyone know what the deal is - Why he is in this limbo to begin with. The EA show hinted that they knew but wouldn't say it on the air. They implied that it was the coaches choice... Anyone have any info?
 
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If he's saying he will have something to report in a few weeks then it's obvious they are trying to work with him to get through it. Im hoping the kid can make it back.
 
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1982Alum said:
I did at least get an education from UT (and a degree), learned to spell, and learned how to construct sentences that someone could read and understand. You on the other hand, can not do either.
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They teach spelling at UT? Admission standards must be pretty low these days.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
If he's saying he will have something to report in a few weeks then it's obvious they are trying to work with him to get through it. Im hoping the kid can make it back.
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Great Point!

If he done something so bad that it warrants an immediate removal, it would have been done. I feel Butch is working with him and laying out a plan. If Pig jumps on board with Butch I ll say he will be on board, otherwise, I feel he is gone. (This is 100% speculation)
 
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