Players can Unionize!!!

And just yesterday I was mentioning how I'm done with the NFL and I will always have my precious college football.
 
This is cover under blacklisting laws in most states and yes it is colluding.

You are free to go down with the ship and your ship hit the first iceberg, this was just a small one.

Yet again you continue to spout off legal terms that have absolutely no bearing on the situation. I'm convinced you have no idea what "collude" and "blacklist" actually mean in practical terms.

Who is being blackllisted by the colleges or the NCAA?
 
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Kinda sickening.

If I ran NWU and had a union for 18-22 year-olds shoved down my throat, it would be the end of the football program, in the blink of an eye.

One of you guys went in this direction already and I couldn't agree more. The players are useful idiots to who's really making a play here - the national unions. They see big money and want in. Convince a bunch of idiot kids they're being unfairly treated, there you go.

Gotta laugh. Some of the most fortunate kids on the face of the planet, but they've bought into victimhood.

Will it ruin CFB? I think so. But the unions don't give a damn, anymore than they do about Detroit, or unsustainable pension plans, or screwing the public for outrageous benefits.

Amazing that they consistently get away with villifying people who ultimately are forced to fund their immoral approach to life. Sad.

Well said.
 
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Chris Mannix on the Dan Patrick Show said the NCAA is making 10.8 BILLION from the NCAA Tourney and 7.3 BILLION from the college football playoff/bowl system.

And they can't give some of that to players somehow, someway because............?
 
Kinda sickening.

If I ran NWU and had a union for 18-22 year-olds shoved down my throat, it would be the end of the football program, in the blink of an eye.

One of you guys went in this direction already and I couldn't agree more. The players are useful idiots to who's really making a play here - the national unions. They see big money and want in. Convince a bunch of idiot kids they're being unfairly treated, there you go.

Gotta laugh. Some of the most fortunate kids on the face of the planet, but they've bought into victimhood.

Will it ruin CFB? I think so. But the unions don't give a damn, anymore than they do about Detroit, or unsustainable pension plans, or screwing the public for outrageous benefits.

Amazing that they consistently get away with villifying people who ultimately are forced to fund their immoral approach to life. Sad.

Whether intentional or not, you just described the Democratic Party as well
 
Chris Mannix on the Dan Patrick Show said the NCAA is making 10.8 BILLION from the NCAA Tourney and 7.3 BILLION from the college football playoff/bowl system.

And they can't give some of that to players somehow, someway because............?

"I don't make the rules. I just think them up and write them down."
 
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Chris Mannix on the Dan Patrick Show said the NCAA is making 10.8 BILLION from the NCAA Tourney and 7.3 BILLION from the college football playoff/bowl system.

And they can't give some of that to players somehow, someway because............?

What do you think an education at a top university is worth?

Not just what it costs for 4 years of tuition, room, board, books, etc..

What are the monetary benefits that the players gain from exposure, job opportunities down the line because of their degree and that they played football at a D-1 school?

What would their lives be like without that opportunity?

Ask Von Pearson what its like. He was working at Bojangles for minimum wage. Now he has an opportunity of a lifetime because he was given a scholarship at UT. I doubt you will hear him complain
 
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What do you think an education at a top university is worth?

Not just what it costs for 4 years of tuition, room, board, books, etc..

What are the monetary benefits that the players gain from exposure, job opportunities down the line because of their degree and that they played football at a D-1 school?

What would their lives be like without that opportunity?

Ask Von Pearson what its like. He was working at Bojangles for minimum wage. Now he has an opportunity of a lifetime because he was given a scholarship at UT. I doubt you will hear him complain

Mostly irrelevant, I mean I know what you are trying to say but trust me if someone is telling you where you could get funds and who you could or couldn't work for you would have a problem it.

What the NCAA is doing with the big sports leagues is what the mob calls regular business practices.

Like the recent filing said, they are a "cartel", I would probably use harsher words, but I have a feeling those words are coming.
 
Mostly irrelevant, I mean I know what you are trying to say but trust me if someone is telling you where you could get funds and who you could or couldn't work for you would have a problem it.

What the NCAA is doing with the big sports leagues is what the mob calls regular business practices.

Like the recent filing said, they are a "cartel", I would probably use harsher words, but I have a feeling those words are coming.

Its a big scary monster
 
Unions are a cancer on everything they touch. I'm sure college football will be no different.
 
Mostly irrelevant, I mean I know what you are trying to say but trust me if someone is telling you where you could get funds and who you could or couldn't work for you would have a problem it.

What the NCAA is doing with the big sports leagues is what the mob calls regular business practices.

Like the recent filing said, they are a "cartel", I would probably use harsher words, but I have a feeling those words are coming.

Give it a rest already, these kids sign a LOI, a contract if you will. Is the School/NCAA fault that these kids don't read the fine print?

Do you really think this would go over at a business where you sign a contact to work there?

Just stop it already, the players already get fairly compensated and then some. The money the NCAA makes goes back to the schools.

Like I said in an earlier post, if you claim that the students on athletic scholarship are employees then you better be prepared for the students on academic scholarship to be employees as well. Are they not being compensated for their work? Do they not have their schooling controlled by the school/scholarship foundation that provided them one?

If it were up to me, I'd get rid of the scholarships, make the kids pay their way or earn it through grades. We'd see how fast they'd change their minds.
 
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Unions are a cancer on everything they touch. I'm sure college football will be no different.

Schools won't offer it anymore if it gets too costly for them individually. College football doesn't have to happen. The academics will end it all and collaspe a 30 billion dollar tv deal.
 
Its a big scary monster

Being chased by two uglier meaner monsters. Unions are very crooked, and they help no one. College football is offically dying. I won't watch if guys get paid. It'd be semipro crap. Welcome to minor league football.
 
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Yes, sir. Awesome post.

I read through this whole thread and that's what most of the people want to ignore. With billions of dollars of tv contracts, crazy salaries for coaches and administrators, and here everybody is thinking that the players were just going to sit back and take it. Something was going to happen sooner or later.

yes, but......

1. they aren't making a lot of money. it depends on how you want to think about it. there are a lot of football programs that make money. there are men's basketball programs that make money. the athletic programs of many schools do not make money.

2. tying in with #1, this is one of the reasons colleges have been reluctant to give athletes money in the first place. because it's not a business. what they do for the men, they must do for the women due to title IX. they can't treat the football players differently. college athletics is a robbing peter to pay paul enterprise. the money made from football pays for the track and field, soccer, volleyball, and name your other athletic program here.

3. as i have said numerous times, there aren't a whole bunch of stockholders or a greedy owner on the other end of this deal walking away with a whole bunch of money. yes, there are paid employees of the athletic department making very nice salaries. but, there is no jerry jones here.

4. along the lines of #3, greed has not been the main motivation of these schools, contrary to popular opinion. if you don't believe that, follow the money. where is the money going? for most schools, every last penny is funding the rest of the athletic department. some schools like florida have enough cash left over that money is given to the school library or something of that sort. but again, it ain't like the school president is pocketing the cash for himself. the rules are in place to try to create some level of fairness, because everyone damn well knows, some schools have deeper pockets than others. the ncaa did not want a system where the school with alumni that make your autograph the most valuable wins.

part of the problem is that many people look at the exception to the rule and not the rule. florida, ohio state, texas, tennessee, lsu, etc, etc, etc are the exception not the rule.

north dakota state, middle tennessee state, long beach state, are the rule.

if you don't believe that this was reported from an article in 2013

USA Today reported that just 23 of 228 Division I athletics departments in their analysis of athletic department revenue and spending were reporting a profit without requiring institutional subsidies. Only seven institutions reported no subsidy from their universities (though Michigan's reported subsidy is attributed to work-study programs and the cost of an academic services director's salary).

so people, will discover there ain't a hell of a lot of gold at the end of this rainbow real quick unless.....football and men's basketball are treated separately. in that case, the effect on non-revenue sports will be devastating.
 
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At one time, Unions had a great need in this country. That time has passed. Labor laws now protect employees from unfair treatment, harsh working conditions, long hours, etc..

Unions are only alive now to line their own pockets. They create issues were none exist only to benefit themselves. They come in, make everyone believe they are victims, and then reap the benefits of gullible people.

Unions have done more to cripple the economy than many politicians
 
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yes, but......

1. they aren't making a lot of money. it depends on how you want to think about it. there are a lot of football programs that make money. there are men's basketball programs that make money. the athletic programs of many schools do not make money.

2. tying in with #1, this is one of the reasons colleges have been reluctant to give athletes money in the first place. because it's not a business. what they do for the men, they must do for the women due to title IX. they can't treat the football players differently. college athletics is a robbing peter to pay paul enterprise. the money made from football pays for the track and field, soccer, volleyball, and name your other athletic program here.

3. as i have said numerous times, there aren't a whole bunch of owners or a greedy stockholder on the other end of this deal walking away with a whole bunch of money. yes, there are paid employees of the athletic department making very nice salaries. but, there is no jerry jones here.

4. along the lines of #3, greed has not been the main motivation of these schools, contrary to popular opinion. if you don't believe that, follow the money. where is the money going? for most schools, every last penny is funding the rest of the athletic department. some schools like florida have enough cash left over that money is given to the school library or something of that sort. but again, it ain't like the school president is pocketing the cash for himself. the rules are in place to try to create some level of fairness, because everyone damn well knows, some schools have deeper pockets than others. the ncaa did not want a system where the school with alumni that make your autograph the most valuable wins.

part of the problem is that many people look at the exception to the rule and not the rule. florida, ohio state, texas, tennessee, lsu, etc, etc, etc are the exception not the rule.

north dakota state, middle tennessee state, long beach state, are the rule.

if you don't believe that this was reported from an article in 2013

USA Today reported that just 23 of 228 Division I athletics departments in their analysis of athletic department revenue and spending were reporting a profit without requiring institutional subsidies. Only seven institutions reported no subsidy from their universities (though Michigan's reported subsidy is attributed to work-study programs and the cost of an academic services director's salary).

so people, will discover there ain't a hell of a lot of gold at the end of this rainbow real quick unless.....football and men's basketball are treated separately. in that case, the effect on non-revenue sports will be devastating.

Great post

Some of that money at UT was going to Academic Scholarships. That's why Hart had to go to Cheek and ask that the University give back some money to the AD so we could hire Jones and his staff.
 
Great post

Some of that money at UT was going to Academic Scholarships. That's why Hart had to go to Cheek and ask that the University give back some money to the AD so we could hire Jones and his staff.

my main anger from all this....is that people are thinking of the college in a way they are not.

the university of florida has a 1.263 billion dollar endowment.

does anyone think bernie machen (school president) is concerned about the net profit from the athletic program being $2 million or $3 million dollars.

from a money making enterprise perspective, the athletic department is chump change compared to the revenue generated on the academic side of the university.
 
This is great. It will lead a new generation to embrace the unions. People will no longer suffer the indignities of corporations who mislead, swindle and ensave the american people. Time to bring huge profits and 10 digit bonuses back to the workers, time to rebuild the american middle class.
 
This is great. It will lead a new generation to embrace the unions. People will no longer suffer the indignities of corporations who mislead, swindle and ensave the american people. Time to bring huge profits and 10 digit bonuses back to the workers, time to rebuild the american middle class.

thanks for that. The needle on my sarcasm meter just popped off and hit a lady 3 desks away
 
just one more point, because i can't emphasize this enough.

if colleges had the freedom to do what they wanted, the players would have been treated like kings a long time ago.

as an example, there are schools that wanted to build athletic dorms that were palaces. but, there are rules about creating housing for athletes only.

most big time schools, as a recruiting tool, have shelled out all kinds of cash on various facilities and perks with the athlete in mind. they have been doing the most they are allowed within the rules.
 
Northwestern football players feeling entitled. **** them.

I hope the school disbands the football program.
 
It drives me crazy that this feels lawyer driven.. I'm seeing quotes in these articles about the players deserving "justice"... They serious? They're d1 athletes not rape victims.... Justice? Get out of here with that. I was a college athlete and it was awesome. Would it have been cool to get paid? Yeah. But college athletics is temporary. I didn't mind being poor during college because that is what college is. Everyone is broke.
 

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