Players can Unionize!!!

[Orangedogsrule]

I am not telling any school to do this or that other than stop colluding, to me that is the problem. There is no reason why a school should care if a player is receiving money either from a school or a 3rd party. The colleges problems start at this point.

Are you a lawyer? You post on this issue all the time and keep blowing the "colluding" horn. What dog do you have in the race that we should give you any credence at all?

 

[bamawriter]

Are you a lawyer? You post on this issue all the time and keep blowing the "colluding" horn. What dog do you have in the race that we should give you any credence at all?

His legal expertise starts and ends with watching Judge Judy.

 

[knoxvillevolntr]

If the major schools unionize..... big if.... they can get paid, et sat benfits. They get one more thing you and I all get...... to pay taxes. If they get money and unionize taxes WILL be owed/due. Be careful what you wish for. I like the ideas of the protection, but they need to understand this raises the ante to a "job", with all the same issues we face in our jobs- taxes, paying for insurance, food, etc, as opposed to the current situation. Could get interesting.

 

[volfanCLT]

What dog do you have in the race that we should give you any credence at all?

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Shame on the Unions

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Colleges will do away with the lowered scholastic qualifications and athletes will have to meet standard, or even higher, GPA's to play. The only athletes on the teams will be the true scholar/athlete. These are the kids who know they aren't going to go pro, or though they have the skills, are truly interested in an education.

The wages paid will be a fraction of what some think, but the value of college education, medical insurance, taxes, etc, will come out of their pay; leaving them with a take home similar to minor league. From which living in the dorm, the cost of each trainer attending to them, the nutritionists, training table meals, the Strength & Conditioning, paying their fair share of having the best coaching staff available, and any other expenses the educational institution can recoup.

The kids who didn't care to prepare themselves academically, that want to get by only on their athletic skills ... well they won't have to go to class at all because they won't be there. A farm league may develop for them but the days of mollycoddling high risk athletes are over. True scholar/athletes only in the college ranks. As it should be.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

They can demand whatever they want... but a player wouldn't have to agree to it. It's a collectively bargained agreement... so whatever both sides AGREE to and sign off on, that's it.

You're not going to get a contract that says "100 yds on Saturday vs Bama or you're fired" ... you're going to see "100 yds on Saturday vs Bama and you'll get a $1000 bonus."

I disagree. I don't believe academic institutions will go that route at all. They'll drop the sport first. Screw the CFB collective bargained team idea. Like someone said above, if they do that, I'm done with college sports. Although I do follow Pro's some, I really don't care for watching men paid millions for playing a game. I'll be camping and fishing for my recreational dollar and ONLY give my money for general academic scholarships.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Might get flamed but the only reason I'm stoked about this is because it could pave the way for another college basketball video game. Please oh please 2k.

 

[Orange_Crush]

How can a school justify providing $10,000 a year in education/living expenses when players potentially bring in $100,000 in revenue?

The company I work for makes a lot of $$$. It's not a charity.

 

[Velo Vol]

Has the sky fallen yet?

 

[zjcvols]

The NCAA did this to themselves.

There were multiple easy fixes that could have easily prevented this, but they were greedy, selfish, and short sighted.

 

[volfan2024]

I think the players should be paid as Spurrier said once but don't think this is the proper avenue.

 

[salutethehill]

Man, that looks pretty good.

 

[salutethehill]

UT claims more phony titles than Bama.

 

[rekinhavoc]

I see empty stadiums . Families won't be able to afford the price increases the universities will surely raise to recoup the salaries.

 

[bamawriter]

The NCAA did this to themselves.

There were multiple easy fixes that could have easily prevented this, but they were greedy, selfish, and short sighted.

This, absolutely.

 

[bamawriter]

2 > 1

33.3% > 6.7%

 

[salutethehill]

lol @ 1

 

[bamawriter]

lol @ 1

I'm being fairly generous with 2.

 

[LSU-SIU]

1. This ruling only effects players from one school, but in the bigger scheme, it's very obvious that others will use it.

2. I believe I gave it less than a 50% chance of winning, but it looks like from reports I am hearing that it was an easy ruling, however, I would not be surprised by areversal on appeal.

3. With that said, this ruling is the least of the colleges and NCAA problems, this is only one of many litigation proceedings which will be undertaken, some have already started.

4. The bigger problem is the large scale collusion and blacklisting between the colleges as a result of their agreements through the NCAA. To me this is at the heart of the problem.

5. I said years ago out here the current system is corrupt, you don't have have to be a freaking genius to figure that out... most of these practices have been against the law before the NCAA even existed. Collusion, blacklisting, fraud and price fixing laws are not going to disappear, and yes, I believe the Colleges and NCAA will be found liable or will end up settling on a huge list of issues with former players... my guess billions if not 10s of billions.

6. Each college should start to consider it's own sake in the game right now, and they should be obtaining determinations on most of the players from their individual State, so that they are in compliance going forward.

7. Imho, most college sports, players and divisions will be unaffected but each specific colleges should start working with the labor departments of their individual State for determinations.

8. The sooner the colleges get way in front of the train, the less they will lose, but right now they are right there about to get smashed. These issues are not going away for obvious reasons.

The O'Bannon case is only one of many suits, everyone and their grandmother is going to end up being sued and for obvious reasons.... they are super great cases.

The NCAA and the colleges have no legs to stand upon for their behavior and they better start getting way in front of the train. Eventually a State or Federal prosecutor is going to go after them, and they will be lucky if it's only a civil proceeding.

As I said a while back all of this is gone, the current system is gone, you guys fighting it just don't know it yet.

Now in my opinion, if I am right above which I believe is playing out.

1. This does not mean colleges will necessarily have to pay players, it all depends on the individual State, college, players, and program.
2. This does not mean colleges have to offer a scholarship.
3. This does not mean sports will not continue, matter of fact I would imagine most players, sports and divisions will not be affected by this, but each specific situation will have to run it's course.

Now you can get mad at me all you want but most of this is just common sense and has nothing to do with emotion. On an emotional front, I do believe the NCAA and the colleges did this to themselves.

 

[zjcvols]

Easy fixes for the NCAA:

1) Create a sixteen team FBS playoff, sell the **** out of it, take money from that along with the money made from the D1 NCAA tournament and create an equal stipend for all NCAA athletes.

2) Create a website sponsored where all game used items and other merchandise can be sold to the highest bidder and goes directly to the pool stipend.

3) If a player will not pursue a professional sport, they have an option where they are allowed to sign a contract where they can receive three years of medical benefits at a very small price provided by the NCAA right after their college graduation. If they sign the contract, they cannot sign a professional sports league contract for three years.

4) Take a whole month off of no sports activity. No mandatory workouts. Players can use only the weight facilities at a maximum of ten hours a week where it must be logged and reported and penalties can happen if they are broken. Have a system where players can go out in the public and do community work sponsored by the NCAA and they can earn a small hourly pay ($8.00/hr). However the school would pay that hourly wage and the school/NCAA come up with a program to help the community and school. That way they can help the community and have a little extra spending money if they use their stipend to help out at home. This also let's players decide if they need to money (I will admit I'm not 100% sure how the taxes would work on this, but I can let the smarter people chime in here). Not including taxes, if you put 20 hours at a maximum rate, a guy can make an extra $640 right there.

5) Make scholarships four years guaranteed. It can only be void if a they are charged and found guilty of criminal activity or consistently do not live up to academic standards. Guilty or no contest please will be reviewed by the NCAA. Drug testing will be done by the NCAA with a three strikes policy.

6) Grant a one-time transfer after two years where a player can play immediately. This way if a coach and player are not working out, because of the four year scholarship, they aren't locked in. A player is allowed to transfer after one year but you must sit out a year. Graduate transfers are still allowed, however with a twist. A player can play two years. This way if a guy has graduated in three years, or he redshirted his first year, will be a senior, and graduated after his junior year in football, can take two years and earn his masters.

7) 25% of all TV contracts from conferences goes directly to the stipend for players.

8) Create collegiate video games where likenesses/name are used for a small stipend. This will go only to players that have likenesses use. I believe in capitalism. Football and basketball players deserve a little something extra since they bring in money. Even if it's something like $250 a month for the players, that's still better than nothing. However a player must sign off on this. If (for example) MarQuez North does not sign wanting to be in the game, his number on the team cannot be used in the game.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Easy fixes for the NCAA:

1) Create a sixteen team FBS playoff, sell the **** out of it, take money from that along with the money made from the D1 NCAA tournament and create an equal stipend for all NCAA athletes.

Nothing stopping this, but this does not give the NCAA and Colleges a pass on their violations of law.

2) Create a website sponsored where all game used items and other merchandise can be sold to the highest bidder and goes directly to the pool stipend.

Again, there is nothing to stop this but there is no other real side other than individual players or individual unions, again this would not preclude them from having to comply with law.

3) If a player will not pursue a professional sport, they have an option where they are allowed to sign a contract where they can receive three years of medical benefits at a very small price provided by the NCAA right after their college graduation. If they sign the contract, they cannot sign a professional sports league contract for three years.

This one is real confusing. The NCAA really doesn't have anything to do with and every contract would be on an individual level. A player does not have to sign anything with the NCAA.

4) Take a whole month off of no sports activity. No mandatory workouts. Players can use only the weight facilities at a maximum of ten hours a week where it must be logged and reported and penalties can happen if they are broken. Have a system where players can go out in the public and do community work sponsored by the NCAA and they can earn a small hourly pay ($8.00/hr). That way they can help the community and have a little extra spending money if they use their stipend to help out at home. This also let's players decide if they need to money (I will admit I'm not 100% sure how the taxes would work on this, but I can let the smarter people chime in here). Not including taxes, if you put 20 hours at a maximum rate, a guy can make an extra $640 right there.

The labor laws are different in each of the state and the NCAA and colleges should not be colluding to tell students where they receive money from... nor does the NCAA determine taxes, etc.

5) Make scholarships four years guaranteed. It can only be void if a they are charged and found guilty of criminal activity or consistently do not live up to academic standards. Guilty or no contest please will be reviewed by the NCAA. Drug testing will be done by the NCAA with a three strikes policy.

Not a bad idea in general but not enforceable by anyone. The colleges should not be colluding.

6) Grant a one-time transfer after two years where a player can play immediately. This way if a coach and player are not working out, because of the four year scholarship, they aren't locked in. A player is allowed to transfer after one year but you must sit out a year. Graduate transfers are still allowed, however with a twist. A player can play two years. This way if a guy has graduated in three years, or he redshirted his first year, will be a senior, and graduated after his junior year in football, can take two years and earn his masters.

Most of these rules are going away see above.

7) 25% of all TV contracts from conferences goes directly to the stipend for players.

Again, they can give anything they want but players can still pursue them without contracts in place. And there is nothing to stop a player from generally doing what he wants.

I think your heart is in a good place, but just because the colleges and the ncaa do something does mean they can break the law.

If they treated the players like normal students, most of this would go away.... it's their choice.

The problem is CONTROL and to me, if they want CONTROL then they are going to pay the piper.

 

[UGA insider]

The NCAA did this to themselves.

There were multiple easy fixes that could have easily prevented this, but they were greedy, selfish, and short sighted.

Yes, sir. Awesome post.

I read through this whole thread and that's what most of the people want to ignore. With billions of dollars of tv contracts, crazy salaries for coaches and administrators, and here everybody is thinking that the players were just going to sit back and take it. Something was going to happen sooner or later.

 

[bamawriter]

As stated before by myself and several others: the colleges are not colluding.

They are not competitors by any legal definition. Just because you compete on the field does not make you a competitor in the marketplace.

 

[LSU-SIU]

As stated before by myself and several others: the colleges are not colluding.

They are not competitors by any legal definition. Just because you compete on the field does not make you a competitor in the marketplace.

This is cover under blacklisting laws in most states and yes it is colluding.

You are free to go down with the ship and your ship hit the first iceberg, this was just a small one.