Players can Unionize!!!

[TrueOrange]

I suppose they could go the Ivy League route and play without scholarships. Then you would know who really wanted to play for a school.

Either way they'd still be playing for whoever likely wrote them the biggest check.

 

[Grand Vol]

Good point. How much of these things have just been pushed for / decided by people that no longer play and want to make a buck? (or well, perceived more than just a buck, but yeah)

Which will bring up the question of how far back would they have to go on this stipend thing or injuries?

This will have to go to an actual court to get clarification. Not that I don't trust the NLRB...but I just don't trust the NLRB.

 

[secund2nun]

The average minor league player only gets paid around 45k. They aren't in 6 digits and they live their sport too.

But the decent minor league players can sign contracts that are worth 1+ million. Even so so prospects can get a few hundred thousand dollar contract.

The money maker football players in college who drive the revenues like the Vince Youngs get paid nearly nothing compared to the revenue they generate. In a minor system they would get paid handsomely.

Also most minor league contracts pay for your college if your career doesn't work out, so ultimately you still get free college plus a nice salary on top of it.

Also another problem with the NCAA system for the players is that they spend so much time with football that they don't have the time to take a real major unless they are one of the rare super bright ones that can balance football with a challenging degree.

 

[Grand Vol]

one of the first problems to deal with is.....

are soccer athletes paid employees of the university as well?

if they are, how do you measure the money to pay them. their business loses money. or is the entire athletic department revenue factored in and as an employee, they get a cut.

if so, how much will football players like soccer players getting a cut of their cash.

these guys are screwing themselves and they don't know it.

I meant to quote this earlier. If football players are considered "employees" anyone on an athletic scholarship will be considered. And that's track and field, hockey, soccer, basketball, rowing, curling and whatever other sports you want to include. All are "employees" at this point and all will get paid.

 

[TrueOrange]

Which will bring up the question of how far back would they have to go on this stipend thing or injuries?

This will have to go to an actual court to get clarification. Not that I don't trust the NLRB...but I just don't trust the NLRB.

This seems like it will be much more of a mess than the average joe sports fan was hoping it would when he first heard about it.

 

[onevol74]

I meant to quote this earlier. If football players are considered "employees" anyone on an athletic scholarship will be considered. And that's track and field, hockey, soccer, basketball, rowing, curling and whatever other sports you want to include. All are "employees" at this point and all will get paid.

And how about the band scholarships? Cheerleaders? Equipment managers? I can see this pie thinning out quickly.

 

[MedicT]

Already happens all over the country. Schollies are a one year deal.

Sure but rarely does an athlete lose a scholarship based on not meeting performance goals. Academic standards certainly.

 

[volfanhill]

1. For now...

2. Has the NCAA made this announcement? Curious, not argumentative.

3. As they are now considered "employees" of the university, whether private or public, they now will have to be paid at least minimum wage. And that's a federal law.

There is no for now argument. Public institutions are insulated from this.

 

[volfanhill]

At least we win.

Your program comes off probation this Summer, and what did you get out of it?

Yep who cares if we notoriously cheat and make up national titles? Am I right I mean fake titles are fun and the fact that our current titles are blemished by our past who cares .

 

[Grand Vol]

There is no for now argument. Public institutions are insulated from this.

There is a for now argument. The old saying of if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander comes to mind here.

What will make public institutions exempt from this if players are now considered employees at any level?

 

[TheDeeble]

Also another problem with the NCAA system for the players is that they spend so much time with football that they don't have the time to take a real major unless they are one of the rare super bright ones that can balance football with a challenging degree.

If the player union thing were to happen, they can't make special rules just for football players. Every athletic program would have to be included. All athletes have to make the grades, practice, and work out. Men's and women's.

 

[knoxvols11]

How can a school justify providing $10,000 a year in education/living expenses when players potentially bring in $100,000 in revenue?

 

[knoxvols11]

This needs to be moved back to the football thread!

 

[BeecherVol]

one of the first problems to deal with is.....

are soccer athletes paid employees of the university as well?

if they are, how do you measure the money to pay them. their business loses money. or is the entire athletic department revenue factored in and as an employee, they get a cut.

if so, how much will football players like soccer players getting a cut of their cash.

these guys are screwing themselves and they don't know it.

Interesting point.

If your team sucks and nobody watches it do you have to reimburse your Ath. Dept. because you lost it money.

 

[Slydell]

Tennessee might not have to worry unless they've paid off the $200m the AD was in debt for a year ago.

 

[Roustabout]

If they do, I'm done with college sports. We already have the NFL and NBA.

 

[bamawriter]

Sure but rarely does an athlete lose a scholarship based on not meeting performance goals. Academic standards certainly.

It's not as rare as you think.

 

[bamawriter]

Yep who cares if we notoriously cheat and make up national titles? Am I right I mean fake titles are fun and the fact that our current titles are blemished by our past who cares .

UT claims more phony titles than Bama.

And our crystal trophies are just as shiny as everyone else's... except for the one we broke, but that has been replaced.

 

[onevol74]

UT claims more phony titles than Bama.

And our crystal trophies are just as shiny as everyone else's... except for the one we broke, but that has been replaced.

Yep, but ours cost less considering how much you are paying for players.

 

[bamawriter]

Yep, but ours cost less considering how much you are paying for players.

Perhaps. We definitely seem to get a lot more out of our investment.

 

[jlindsa4]

Maybe not goodbye football... maybe goodbye education?

 

[Burger]

Maybe not goodbye football... maybe goodbye education?

It's good bye college football. The only reason the NCAA exists is because the institutions let it be so. If its too costly, schools will shut up shop.

Northwestern said they were going to drop football soon already.

 

[fade route]

Get ready for high school recruits having agents......some as young as 14 and 15 years old I bet if they're projected to be a 4 or 5 star.

 

[bamawriter]

Let some of these kids see what taxes on their scholarships run, and they'll reconsider whether they want to be "employees".

 

[Rockytoptalker]

Yep, but ours cost less considering how much you are paying for players.

Haha that was gold!