Players Don't Get Dismissed for Misdemeanors

[Wise-Vol]

You basically equated this as being no big deal since "80% of college athletes" smoke weed. That is tantamount to using the childish argument that since "everyone" does it, it is ok. Am I wrong?

I never said it was "okay". I also never said 80% of college athletes smoke weed. Since I never said those things, it really doesn't matter what it is "tantamount" to.

And, since I never said those things, I guess that would mean you are wrong.

What I said -- and mean -- is that you don't kick players off your team for misdemeanors. If you did, you'd have a hard time fielding any team in this conference or any other. I'm not sure UGA would have had a football team this year if they dismissed every player cited for a misdemeanor.

The above is what I have said. Please try to refrain from adding to it without my permission. I'm generally not greedy, but am when it comes to my opinions. I like to exclusively edit those.

 

[Wise-Vol]

The reason things like this still happen is because the players are never held accountable for their actions.A mild suspension will not get their attention nor the other players attention.Make a statement now and wave good bye to them as they leave Knoxville.

Really? So how many points did Ramar Smith and Duke Crews score against Memphis yesterday?

 

[jblank]

If you can.

My pleasure:

You are so out of touch with today's 17 and 18 year olds. Might as well suggest we eliminate our basketball program.

The implication, again, being that if you're of that age, then the things that happened last night, are commonplace......they aren't of course.

College kids smoke weed. Inner-city kids often carry guns. Sometimes they drive without licenses and curse too. Me thinks you need to get informed.

The implication here is that this behavior is ok and shouldn't be punished severely, even though all those things are punishable by law, let alone against NCAA and University guidelines.

In any event, I'm done debating this. When you have someone that is fine with giving student-athletes a pass for this type of behavior, you're just beating your head against a wall.

 

[Wise-Vol]

This guy does not even realize he has made the weakest arguments I have ever heard all the while calling people out for their arguments.

He is :crazy:

Thems some mighty weak arguments that demand name-calling and distortions to refute. Mighty weak.:whatever:

 

[tigervol9802]

Really? So how many points did Ramar Smith and Duke Crews score against Memphis yesterday?

Major wingate anyone?
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[Geezzz]

My stance on pearl around here has been documented. If indeed there is a felony involved I will have a major problem if any person who received one ever plays again.
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So if the crooked KnoxvillePD does not give them what they deserve, you are ok with all the gun toting, pot smoking thugs back on the team to play like nothing happened.

This is what the hell is wrong with this university. Maybe something big does need to happen to get peoples attention. Man oh man. Hey, if you are a coach or player come to tennessee where you can smoke pot, carry guns, commit robbery, drink and drive, screw orange pride, and rack up violations when you feel like it. We love it. And guess what? Nothing will happen as long as KPD pleads it all down from a felony. Hell, screw it, felonies welcome too:good!:

 

[Wise-Vol]

My pleasure:



The implication, again, being that if you're of that age, then the things that happened last night, are commonplace......they aren't of course.



The implication here is that this behavior is ok and shouldn't be punished severely, even though all those things are punishable by law, let alone against NCAA and University guidelines.

So all we have established is that you don't know the difference between a "quote" and your personal 'implications".

That's what I figured. I'm perfectly capable of making my own arguments; I don't need your help. In fact, you aren't very good at making my arguments because you keep getting my opinions wrong. Just let me handle it and it'll be better for all involved.

Notice that I've never tried to "imply" something into what you post -- that's how you exercise restraint in letting someone express their own opinions. It really isn't that hard.

 

[Gannon Goodson]

I never said it was "okay". I also never said 80% of college athletes smoke weed. Since I never said those things, it really doesn't matter what it is "tantamount" to.

And, since I never said those things, I guess that would mean you are wrong.

What I said -- and mean -- is that you don't kick players off your team for misdemeanors. If you did, you'd have a hard time fielding any team in this conference or any other. I'm not sure UGA would have had a football team this year if they dismissed every player cited for a misdemeanor.

The above is what I have said. Please try to refrain from adding to it without my permission. I'm generally not greedy, but am when it comes to my opinions. I like to exclusively edit those.

Yes, you can and do kick players off your team for misdemeanors. It isn't automatic, but it's up to the discretion of the coach/administration. If they decide it's appropriate, then they will do it.

However, it looks like a couple of our boys are facing far more serious charges. The gun with filed/altered serial numbers is a no-no. Just have to wait and see how this plays out.

Are you done now?

 

[Wise-Vol]

Yes, you can and do kick players off your team for misdemeanors. It isn't automatic, but it's up to the discretion of the coach/administration. If they decide it's appropriate, then they will do it.

However, it looks like a couple of our boys are facing far more serious charges. The gun with filed/altered serial numbers is a no-no. Just have to wait and see how this plays out.

Are you done now?

No. Not yet. Stay tuned.

 

[VolsRule]

Just suspend them for a game or two before the big SEC games start. UT needs them big time when they play UK and Florida.

 

[ranradVOL]

Guns=felony. That's the law. Period.

Umm, no. That's not the law. Period.

 

[ranradVOL]

This guy does not even realize he has made the weakest arguments I have ever heard all the while calling people out for their arguments.

He is :crazy:

Please stop...You're making yourself look foolish. He provided a link stating Rob Lewis' FACTS. If you would read it and take your blood pressure medicine, you might learn something.

 

[Wise-Vol]

No. Not yet. Stay tuned.

Okay, here's the more -- this is from the KNS article on the topic at hand, quoting the KPD spokesman:

"It could not be determined if the driver and passengers were under the influence of marijuana or not, although the strong odor indicated that marijuana had been recently smoked in the car," according to a statement from DeBusk. "Because of this, physical arrests were made instead of misdemeanor citations for the misdemeanor charges."

I hesitate to believe anything at this early stage, considering how quickly things change and/or get clarified (such as Rob Lewis' latest news), but if this is to be believed, the only difference between *****ing all day about the ass-kicking we took last night and this story is that they couldn't determine whether these guys were high. If they had, they would have gone on their way with misdemeanor citations.

I don't quite understand that, but find it very interesting. Is that really the difference between the meltdown we now have and no knowledge whatsoever (perhaps ever) that this even happened?

 

[Gcrop]

Here is the link to Lewis' post on Volquest:

http://tennessee.******************.asp?fid=2251&tid=137522680&mid=137522680&sid=879&style=2

I guess I can't look at this info because I am not a paying member.

How are they saying the filed off serial number is not a felony?

 

[Wise-Vol]

I guess I can't look at this info because I am not a paying member.

How are they saying the filed off serial number is not a felony?

I don't know. He said he talked to the Judge that signed the warrants for the arrests and all charges on the warrants were misdemeanors.

The quote in my previous post also doesn't make sense if there was a felony involved. The KPD spokesman basically said that the only reason the four were physically arrested instead of being cited is because the KPD couldn't determine whether they were under the influence of marijuana. If there was a felony involved, would that be the case?

 

[Gcrop]

I don't know. He said he talked to the Judge that signed the warrants for the arrests and all charges on the warrants were misdemeanors.

The quote in my previous post also doesn't make sense if there was a felony involved. The KPD spokesman basically said that the only reason the four were physically arrested instead of being cited is because the KPD couldn't determine whether they were under the influence of marijuana. If there was a felony involved, would that be the case?

Thanks. I guess we will just have to see how it plays out. Too much speculation now.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I don't know. He said he talked to the Judge that signed the warrants for the arrests and all charges on the warrants were misdemeanors.

The quote in my previous post also doesn't make sense if there was a felony involved. The KPD spokesman basically said that the only reason the four were physically arrested instead of being cited is because the KPD couldn't determine whether they were under the influence of marijuana. If there was a felony involved, would that be the case?

Something is crap here. Had they been debating sobriety, they would have definitely physically arrested the driver and DUI is a tinge beyond a misdemeanor.

 

[Velo Vol]

Bull. One of the guns had a serial number filed off. That is serious. That is a black market illegal firearm.

Does that make the gun any more dangerous?

I would think all the gun nuts around here would be lauding the players for making the streets "safer" by carrying around extra guns.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Does that make the gun any more dangerous?

I would think all the gun nuts around here would be lauding the players for making the streets "safer" by carrying around extra guns.

Ludicrous. Nobody is arguing for untraceable weapons or altered SNs.

 

[allvolinky]

Regardless wether it was a misdemeanor or felony....they should not have been out running around with a gun in the car,drinking, or having marijuana. When they come to play at a major university they have a responibility. This is an embarassment to our University and our basketball program. They should not be allowed to play another minute in our program (they do not deserve it).

 

[VolsRule]

Hopefully, UT attorneys can get all these felonies reduced to misdemeanors to avoid any dismissals!

 

[tonybologna]

Regardless wether it was a misdemeanor or felony....they should not have been out running around with a gun in the car,drinking, or having marijuana. When they come to play at a major university they have a responibility. This is an embarassment to our University and our basketball program. They should not be allowed to play another minute in our program (they do not deserve it).

AMEN! :thumbsup:

 

[treedogvol]

I don't care what anyone says, Jackson should have been gone. And if not, he should have been gone for the rest of the year. He came back, IMMEDIATELY because he needed him. Kiffin is going to end up in serious trouble if he does not get his mouth, and actions in check. I am one of these fans who wants it done right and clean and with class. We have 1 coach who does that and her name is Summit. Kiffin has conducted himself like a spoiled punk kid since he got here. Bruce has 0 class and 0 discipline of players. Fix it.

lol:you a vol fan B>>>>S>>>>>>just admit you are not a vol you are a hypocrite sob get of of the Volnation you turd in the grass you are not a vol fan and Im glad:crazy::cray:A judge you moron said jackson was innocent. Go back to the gators or bama we don't need your type here.eace2:

 

[volwarrior33]

Wes Rucker:

I now feel more comfortable saying the felony charges against TSmith and BWilliams are misdemeanors.

 

[Gannon Goodson]

Umm, no. That's not the law. Period.

Possession of a firearm with an altered serial number is a felony in the state of Tennessee. Whether any charges are reduced, dropped, etc. remains to be determined.

Thanks for playing.