Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

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PointGuard said:
Nah you just didn’t like the realistic answer I gave you. Apparently It’s OK for cops to continue to shoot unarmed blacks in the back. Those receiving the bullets or knees on the neck should be grateful?
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Can you even tell us how many 'unarmed blacks' have been shot in the back over the last year?
 
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PointGuard said:
Nah you just didn’t like the realistic answer I gave you. Apparently It’s OK for cops to continue to shoot unarmed blacks in the back. Those receiving the bullets or knees on the neck should be grateful?
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You gave no answer. You gave your FEELZ. Thanks for playing.
 
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BeecherVol said:
The bold is key.
Yes, its a known that he was attempting to get in his car. Why, is not clear today nor was it clear at the time.
Was he ready to just get away after a physical altercation which included the cops trying to detain him and according to witnesses and his lawyer tried to taze him. Or was he going for a weapon. At that point Blake is forcing the cop to make an assumption, one that could put the cop or others in danger.

From the video's and witness reports they didn't just open fire at the first sign of resistance, and while I think they should have made another attempt to prevent him from getting to the car, everything revolves around the fact that he wasn't going to be shot on the other side of the car if he didn't want to be.
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And if they had knowledge of his warrants and prior firearms-related offenses, the judgment call is easily understood.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The one where i said that they were stupid and shouldn't have done that AND that Arbery was wrong for trespassing and the other things?

I believe my post on it was that it would be interesting to see what the jury said about the case and that if the son was found to have "illegally detained" Arbery they would be in trouble, but if not then Arbery would be considered the aggressor due to his moronic actions as well?

THIS is why you think i'm "racist" and you dropped a soft N-word for? :rolleyes:
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You defended them for pages and pages.
 
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rjd970 said:
How many officers were on the scene to subdue him? It looks like maybe 4?
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Something like that. I'm not in no way defending the officers but I'd like to hear what our resident lawyers have to say about their options at that point.
 
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PointGuard said:
Nah you just didn’t like the realistic answer I gave you. Apparently It’s OK for cops to continue to shoot unarmed blacks in the back. Those receiving the bullets or knees on the neck should be grateful?
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Too bad we have an abundance of lawless black criminals.
 
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rjd970 said:
I can agree with all this...I still question him reaching into the car warranting being shot in the back, but ok, sure.

However, as far as the bolded, according to our resident entitled know-it-all, the bolded isn't even up for argument, or if it is, hindsight is 20/20 and the suspect deserved it anyway and all that stuff.
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I would say it would take one time of a guy reaching into his car and shooting at you that you would be quicker to shoot the next time if you were still alive..... they tried to subdue him.... tried taxing him.... he wasn’t going down without a fight.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Facts are actual facts, and him being black has nothing to do with anything.

I am sorry that you are so jaded with race, that logic defeats your sensibilities
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How many white guys would have been shot in back 7 times? You cops start with a whole different demeanor with blacks in identical situations
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
If a few of these trigger happy cowardly f#cks go to jail then these incidents will decline.
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They may decline because police will stop interceding. What you will see more of, we see it happening already, is a sharp rise in criminal activity. Murder, other violent crime and drug activity because the criminal element no longer fears or believes the police will intercede.

If there a problem with some police and attitude? Absolutely, but I implore you to do that job, deal with the new criminal element and see if it wouldn't jade you, make you sceptical of people and their angles. That absolutely changes how you interact with people.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I love the "they could have tackled him" argument. Its right up there with tasing. Or "shoot him in the leg."

The tactical decisions can be criticized forever. In hindsight knowing what happened, you can always theorize some alternative outcome had some other course of action been taken.

That has nothing to do with the constitutionality of use of force. That is entirely dependent in this case on whether they reasonably perceived a threat from him when they fired.

And, to boot, when you theorize about what the police could have done differently, don't forget to theorize about what he could have done differently. He could have not walked away and instead cooperated. He could have not reached into the door of the car.

And then, since we are dealing with alternative universes, let's say they tackle him. And then there is a claim they injured him that way. There is uproar over that. Shades of George Floyd on the ground.

In the case of all of this, you have to think in terms of what was known, at the moment of decision. Not what is known later. From another vantage point. And with no information from the video about what happened prior to then.
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We have created an environment where cops are going to second guess what they're doing, and instead of quickly resolving an issue they let things play out in the hopes they're not on video doing something "bad". They could have dogpiled this guy. But maybe they thought 10 people filming that would mean their jobs or suspensions. So they play kid gloves with him until he forces their hand into something worse. Could they really let a guy with a warrant for sexual assault just drive away? A guy that has fought the police reaching into a car? This type of incident will continue to occur as long we keep sending conflicting messages about what cops should be doing.
 
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theFallGuy said:
If you live in a city better load up on guns and ammo. Government and local police are not going to protect your property, especially in blue cities.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/25/armed-civilians-defend-kenosha-gas-station-from-arsonists/
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We're already gearing up to leave the small city we're in. We've had double the amount of gun-related assaults and who knows how much more violent crime (much more than double) in the last year. We have city leadership that's run off most of the jobsmakers and doubled business taxes through demanding increases in assessments and rates increases in combination. The same council that pushed that brought in an inept police chief, voted to extend their own terms, effectively cut school budgets while increasing 'social program' budgets, and have spent more time bitching and pontificating on a four-foot tall Robert E. Lee monument and hosting 'gun violence panels' rather than addressing the issues that trigger all this crap in the city. My wife is highly uncomfortable being alone in her business in our relatively well-off neighborhood because the crimes are flooding even over here.
 
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KB5252 said:
They may decline because police will stop interceding. What you will see more of, we see it happening already, is a sharp rise in criminal activity. Murder, other violent crime and drug activity because the criminal element no longer fears or believes the police will intercede.

If there a problem with some police and attitude? Absolutely, but I implore you to do that job, deal with the new criminal element and see if it wouldn't jade you, make you sceptical of people and their angles. That absolutely changes how you interact with people.
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One key reason for more crime is driven by less money
 
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PointGuard said:
One key reason for more crime is driven by less money
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I don't think anyone will dispute that.

Now look at the cities where our country's violent crimes are concentrated. Then look at the leadership. Then ask yourself who the real racists burying black people under hopelessness and poverty are.
 
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PointGuard said:
How many white guys would have been shot in back 7 times? You cops start with a whole different demeanor with blacks in identical situations
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This is a ridiculous assumption. There are several incidents of white (or hispanic) males getting shot in similar incidents. You are simply parroting a belief based on nothing more than what you "believe" people to be thinking
 
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PointGuard said:
How many white guys would have been shot in back 7 times? You cops start with a whole different demeanor with blacks in identical situations
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We need a White Boy Challenge set up. Get your old lady to call the cops for a domestic, fight a couple of them, and then go out to your truck and reach under the seat. If they don't shoot you, your point is proven. And since you already know they won't, it should be a pretty safe experiment.
 
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