Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

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vols4sure said:
Where did I imply it was a death sentence? However, he not only was resisting arrest, he was reaching into his car which any cop at that point would have to assume he was reaching for a weapon (which very well could have been a gun). Again, he should not have died if there was better police work up to that point but the bottom line is he put himself into an extremely dangerous situation and is now facing the consequences.

The Atlanta shooting is tougher to defend from the cop's perspective as the guy was running away (though he was shooting a taser at the cops while running).
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Not disagreeing with a pretty reasonable post. Just supplementing that the taser provides one shot at range then has to be reloaded. They’re not especially accurate, particularly when firing over the shoulder at a moving target and, in my experience, they seem to be sometimes thwarted by mere puffy jackets.

Seems potentially relevant to both cases you discussed.
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
With one of the warrants being for sexual assault of a minor. Yeah he really should’ve been able to get in the car with those kids and drive off.

There was so much wrong with the situation.
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If they shot him within three minutes of showing up, then the odds that they knew he had a warrant are pretty slim.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Not disagreeing with a pretty reasonable post. Just supplementing that the taser provides one shot at range then has to be reloaded. They’re not especially accurate, particularly when firing over the shoulder at a moving target and, in my experience, they seem to be sometimes thwarted by mere puffy jackets.

Seems potentially relevant to both cases you discussed.
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Completely agree. If I recall correctly, he had already been searched in the Atlanta instance so the cops would have known that he had no other weapons. Also, there was more than one cop so even if he had incapacitated one cop with a taser, the other cop would still be able to shoot him if he came back toward the cop. I see this instance as a heat of the moment shooting, which even poor cops should be trained to avoid.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Now I get why Luther doesn't think anything bad is happening due to democrats run amok in big cities across the country, even with the carnage going on in the background....

What a f###ing clown show..communist clown news..
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Your next step is to ask Luth about his fake news continuum.
 
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UT_VOLS13 said:
Biden, Obama back NBA boycott over Jacob Blake shooting
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Sad when the intention and meaning behind this is blatantly abused and politicized....and offers nothing of any sort of actionable change other than a stage show.........but, what's new......

Once again, what did you do before today you hypocritical eltist peddlers of all things bullsh**? Nothing, talk, and more talk, and do nothing......yet, you want to comment today, of course, as it pertains to your freaking employment.....as peddlers of all things lip service and inaction......

Hey, Obama, stop traveling the world and speaking and go home and do something you community organizing schlep....no...that is actually putting your money where your mouth is.......or better known as actually working and putting in your own sweat and tears and money and time into the community day after day.......fraud.
 
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vols4sure said:
Completely agree. If I recall correctly, he had already been searched in the Atlanta instance so the cops would have known that he had no other weapons. Also, there was more than one cop so even if he had incapacitated one cop with a taser, the other cop would still be able to shoot him if he came back toward the cop. I see this instance as a heat of the moment shooting, which even poor cops should be trained to avoid.
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Seems like the issue with most of these situations is what happens on the front end.
Once the guy is actively fighting with police and reaching into his car, it becomes so fact dependent that it’s hard to render judgment without the benefit of time to reflect and deliberate over what happened. That time isn’t available during the encounter.

So the events that led up to that moment seems to be the place where potential changes ought to be examined. I have no idea what those events were. Maybe they did everything right and this really is his own fault. Maybe they did everything wrong and this was an avoidable situation. I know I need to see it on film to trust anything at this point because most people seem to have already made up their mind.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
He has been charged with 1st degree murder, so, I guess so.
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I think the charges will stick because he is a minor open carrying which I believe is a felony. The results of that felony led to death whether it was self defense or not. I think the shots on their own are self defense but the way most laws are written, committing a felony that results in death is bumped to first degree.
 
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utvols88 said:
How exactly are you going to 'demand justice' if you arent going to trust the federal DOJ or state of WI DOJ?
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Pretty good reason for DOJ to not be politicized, if you ask me.

Link to me demanding anything?

Rickyvol77 said:
911 told them he had a warrant and gave him the description of him per the woman calling on him
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Link?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
If they shot him within three minutes of showing up, then the odds that they knew he had a warrant are pretty slim.
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If he is from that area they probably know the guy..... it’s been reported that they knew before hand but not sure if that’s accurate
 
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utvols88 said:
I think the charges will stick because he is a minor open carrying which I believe is a felony. The results of that felony led to death whether it was self defense or not. I think the shots on their own are self defense but the way most laws are written, committing a felony that results in death is bumped to first degree.
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This is not accurate. From what I can tell, WI’s felony murder statute (which is different from 1st degree murder, there) is not applicable to him from the facts I’ve seen. If he assaulted the guy before being chased then there might be a case but simply being a minor in possession of a weapon does not trigger felony murder in WI as far as I can tell.

Wisconsin Legislature: 940.03

For clarity: This post is my personal opinion and should not be taken as legal advice. Hire a lawyer.
 
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