Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

[RockyTop85]

If he is from that area they probably know the guy..... it’s been reported that they knew before hand but not sure if that’s accurate

If they had his name before arriving that’s possible.

If somebody calls and says “hey my ex-boyfriend is over here bothering me, he’s got warrants” that should require verification, IMO.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Pretty good reason for DOJ to not be politicized, if you ask me.

Link to me demanding anything?



Link?

Kenosha police shot Jacob Blake 3 minutes after arrival, audio reveals

Sometime before 5 p.m.
A neighbor sees Jacob Blake barbecuing outside his apartment at 2805 40th St.

5:11 p.m.
Officers are sent to Blake’s address for a complaint of “family trouble.” A dispatcher notifies officers that a woman called police and said Blake “isn’t supposed to be there and he took the complainant's keys and is refusing to give them back.”


The dispatcher tells officers that there’s an alert for a person wanted for some reason, known in police radio code as a 10-99, at that address. Blake had a warrant issued for his arrest stemming from a domestic case in May.

5:12:07 p.m.
An officer tells the dispatcher he is close but has not yet arrived at the call.

5:13:47 p.m.
One of the officers assigned to the call asks dispatchers for a description of Blake. The dispatcher tells officers that the woman now says Blake is trying to leave. The dispatcher tries to get a description of Blake’s vehicle but she tells officers that the woman has become uncooperative, and the type of vehicle or what state it’s registered in are unknown.

The officer replies that he has arrived at the address.

 

[RikidyBones]

This is not accurate. From what I can tell, WI’s felony murder statute (which is different from 1st degree murder, there) is not applicable to him from the facts I’ve seen. If he assaulted the guy before being chased then there might be a case but simply being a minor in possession of a weapon does not trigger felony murder in WI as far as I can tell.

Wisconsin Legislature: 940.03

Thanks for sharing. It will be interesting to see it play out.

 

[RockyTop85]

Kenosha police shot Jacob Blake 3 minutes after arrival, audio reveals

Sometime before 5 p.m.
A neighbor sees Jacob Blake barbecuing outside his apartment at 2805 40th St.

5:11 p.m.
Officers are sent to Blake’s address for a complaint of “family trouble.” A dispatcher notifies officers that a woman called police and said Blake “isn’t supposed to be there and he took the complainant's keys and is refusing to give them back.”


The dispatcher tells officers that there’s an alert for a person wanted for some reason, known in police radio code as a 10-99, at that address. Blake had a warrant issued for his arrest stemming from a domestic case in May.

5:12:07 p.m.
An officer tells the dispatcher he is close but has not yet arrived at the call.

5:13:47 p.m.
One of the officers assigned to the call asks dispatchers for a description of Blake. The dispatcher tells officers that the woman now says Blake is trying to leave. The dispatcher tries to get a description of Blake’s vehicle but she tells officers that the woman has become uncooperative, and the type of vehicle or what state it’s registered in are unknown.

The officer replies that he has arrived at the address.

So that says they knew somebody at the address was wanted. What’s the basis for inferring that they knew it was Blake?

 

[volbeast33]

If they had his name before arriving that’s possible.

If somebody calls and says “hey my ex-boyfriend is over here bothering me, he’s got warrants” that should require verification, IMO.

They have to perceive that person as huge threat..... when weapons were drawn on me.... I cooperated and went to court..... I’m still here..... if I had of started hitting the cops and tried reaching inside my car..... good chance it would have ended the same way..... we need to start holding people responsible for their bad choices.... This guy made a horrible choice.... probably bc he knew he was going to jail for a long time

 

[Smokey'sHandler]

If they shot him within three minutes of showing up, then the odds that they knew he had a warrant are pretty slim.

The Wisconsin DOJ releases both the 911 call and the call to dispatch yesterday. I am very certain I heard in the dispatch call that they identified him as Jacob Blake and that he had active warrants for his arrest.

One would assume that’s why they were trying to detain/arrest him in the first place. If he didn’t have any active warrants the police would’ve treated it as a standard domestic dispute and it more than likely wouldn’t have gone anywhere.

 

[BeecherVol]

So that says they knew somebody at the address was wanted. What’s the basis for inferring that they knew it was Blake?

How would the dispatcher know there was someone there with a warrant?

 

[tennvols77]

How would the dispatcher know there was someone there with a warrant?

I would assume technology has made it so all information on anything and anyone should be easily and readily accessible, I could be wrong....maybe one of our resident police know.....

 

[Rickyvol77]

So that says they knew somebody at the address was wanted. What’s the basis for inferring that they knew it was Blake?

The caller gave Dispatch the name, Dispatch verified they had prior incidents with him at that address, and Dispatch verified his warrants AND the officer asked for the specific description of what Blake looked like as he arrived on scene

 

[RockyTop85]

How would the dispatcher know there was someone there with a warrant?

The dispatcher didn’t shoot anybody. It matters what the officers knew. They may have been told Blake was wanted, but that’s not what that timeline said.

 

[RockyTop85]

The caller gave Dispatch the name, Dispatch verified they had prior incidents with him at that address, and Dispatch verified his warrants AND the officer asked for the specific description of what Blake looked like as he arrived on scene

You got all that from the article?

 

[lukeneyland]

Zero sympathy for any of those rioters who got shot. You play the violent game and sometimes you find someone prepared to be even more violent

 

[Rickyvol77]

How would the dispatcher know there was someone there with a warrant?

All you need is a name, DOB, SS# or DL to verify if someone has a warrant, it's really easy to look up when you have NCIC. You can even pull their criminal history in seconds.On top of that this address was flagged by 911 for previous incidents so all the names would be there

 

[Rickyvol77]

You got all that from the article?

yes it's pretty clear

 

[ButchPlz]

Zero sympathy for any of those rioters who got shot. You play the violent game and sometimes you find someone prepared to be even more violent

Well, they are/were all also criminals and pedos, so it's net gain for society.

 

[BeecherVol]

The dispatcher didn’t shoot anybody. It matters what the officers knew. They may have been told Blake was wanted, but that’s not what that timeline said.

Where is it stated the dispatcher shot anyone?

I'm asking why the dispatcher would give the cops the idea that somebody there had a warrant?

 

[Behr]

BUT, where does it say he got a description?

5:13:47 p.m.
One of the officers assigned to the call asks dispatchers for a description of Blake. The dispatcher tells officers that the woman now says Blake is trying to leave. The dispatcher tries to get a description of Blake’s vehicle but she tells officers that the woman has become uncooperative, and the type of vehicle or what state it’s registered in are unknown.

 

[Smokey'sHandler]

I would assume technology has made it so all information on anything and anyone should be easily and readily accessible, I could be wrong....maybe one of our resident police know.....

I would assume that when a call is put in for a disturbance and the disturber is named to 911 they are initially searched in their database. Fortunately they had both his name and address so if there happened to be multiple Jacob Blake’s they would have been able to nail down this particular Jacob Blake.

One would assume that they had all information on Jacob Blake before the 911 call was over.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Where is it stated the dispatcher shot anyone?

I'm asking why the dispatcher would give the cops the idea that somebody there had a warrant?

The girlfriend told the dispatcher he had warrants and was not supposed to be at the residence.

 

[jvol1]

I do not get why the knife is a big deal. He is resisting arrest and reaching back into his car. Cops have no idea what he is reaching for. Poor police work in hindsight but hard to fault them for shooting once it got to that point.

All boils down to same situation - IMO, you resist arrest and you really have no one to blame but yourself for whatever consequences occur though police should try their best to deescalate the situation. Good/smart cops probably would have in this situation but, as in all types of jobs, some cops are better than others. Still does not mean these instances are the result of racism.

Traditionally, it's considered cowardly to shoot another person in the back at least in the Old Westerns. Based on the video, it doesn't appear that he was endangering the officer when shot. Who knows what will come out to support either side, but it's definitely in the public interest to protect lives as much as possible, and whether he ends being guilty or not, I don't think he showed proper forebearance in this case based on what's out there.

 

[RockyTop85]

yes it's pretty clear

No it’s not. It requires an inference.

 

[RockyTop85]

Where is it stated the dispatcher shot anyone?

I'm asking why the dispatcher would give the cops the idea that somebody there had a warrant?

The dispatcher has access to warrant information.

 

[volbeast33]

Traditionally, it's considered cowardly to shoot another person in the back at least in the Old Westerns. Based on the video, it doesn't appear that he was endangering the officer when shot. Who knows what will come out to support either side, but it's definitely in the public interest to protect lives as much as possible, and whether he ends being guilty or not, I don't think he showed proper forebearance in this case based on what's out there.

Watch videos on how quick it is for everyone to be dead when you allow a criminal to reach into a blind spot while resisting arrest

 

[BeecherVol]

The dispatcher has access to warrant information.

Correct.

How do they know there is someone at a call that has one issued? Did they just guess right in this case or did she have a name?

 

[vols4sure]

Traditionally, it's considered cowardly to shoot another person in the back at least in the Old Westerns. Based on the video, it doesn't appear that he was endangering the officer when shot. Who knows what will come out to support either side, but it's definitely in the public interest to protect lives as much as possible, and whether he ends being guilty or not, I don't think he showed proper forebearance in this case based on what's out there.

No offense, but I find your take ridiculous. Criticize the officer all you want for letting it get to that point, but once he starts making any action that could be construed as reaching for a gun, he was endangering the cop.