Praying Before Game WILL NOT BE STOPPED AT UT (merged)

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SuperDave said:
I believe in creationism. I created my kids therefore I am God! I grew up in the southern churches and I know from experience that christians are some of the most hateful people on the planet and none of them do what their beloved bible tells them to do. They just pick out what they like and say.. you do this or you go to hell! thats the way it is and always will be.
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Possibly some of the truest words ever posted on VN. I will say however that I do know a few Christians who truly make an effort to live in accordance with what they believe, and I have a lot of respect for that. But from my experience, as a general rule, Christians can be some of the most hateful and hypocritical people on earth.
 
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kevol80 said:
What about teaching evolution and the big bang theory? Should we have a period of silence so kids can study what they want to believe about creation?
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kevol80 said:
I'm halfway afraid to ask, but for curiosity's sake, why is it scary?
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The reason it is scary is because evolution is a peered reviewed theory with thousands of supporting papers and studies. The overwhelming majority of actual scientists support evolution, and for you as a teacher to say that creation is an equal view is insane. As an individual you can believe what you want but when teaching the next generation you have to teach what is actually observable and not just what religious leaders have made up.
 
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I demand a muslim prayer be publicly hollered over the loudspeakers at Neyland before each game. I demand it because it is MY religious right. After that, I demand a buddist ritual to be performed, kiss a cows ass or something like that. After all,,,this is America.

In all seriousness, if people want public prayer before a game, so be it. Nobody say's that you have to say a christian prayer. Just a simple prayer. Big fricking deal. FWIW - I am an atheist, agnostic, non-believer,,what ever. People's purple panties are all wadded over some silly sayings. Grandpa always told me, "Live your life so you don't have to hire pallbearers and you'll be fine". If people want to pray before they do anything - that is their right. Who am I, an atheist, to deny them their rights? Common sense folks, common sense.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Possibly some of the truest words ever posted on VN. I will say however that I do know a few Christians who truly make an effort to live in accordance with what they believe, and I have a lot of respect for that. But from my experience, as a general rule, Christians can be some of the most hateful and hypocritical people on earth.
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Damn BO,,,,nice post. We actually agree on something.
 
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5012 said:
Given the topic I was going to attempt to be delicate but it’s so hard when there’s such idiocy and ignorance on this board…

The United States is NOT a Christian nation; it is a secular nation which allows every citizen the right to hold whatever ideology they wish.

And yes religious FREEDOM was a significant reason we came to exist. That freedom means ANY religion or even NO religion.
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jarvol said:
America is not a Christian country nor was it founded with the belief in God. America's founders and writers of the Constitution made this very clear.

Your grandparents fought for the propaganda that the US government sold the masses. They bought into the McCarthyism due to their sheer ignorance.
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It's terrifying that of the 50,000 people on this site, so far only two of them seem to know the true history of America and will speak up about it.
 
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GAVol said:
We wrote a whole constitution based on the opposite of that.
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Everyone here just needs to go read article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, written by Washington, and signed by two other former presidents (Adams I think and another who escapes me without googling). In it, they clearly state

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
 
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Daloth said:
It's terrifying that of the 50,000 people on this site, so far only two of them seem to know the true history of America and will speak up about it.
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Most of the Founding Fathers were most likely deists or some form of anti-cleric Christians. However let's not interrupt the good old fashioned image that America was built to be a Christian republic :hi:
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Possibly some of the truest words ever posted on VN. I will say however that I do know a few Christians who truly make an effort to live in accordance with what they believe, and I have a lot of respect for that. But from my experience, as a general rule, Christians can be some of the most hateful and hypocritical people on earth.
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The thing is we are ALL humans (even CHRISTIANS), and we all fail (sin). Everyone CHRISTIAN or not judges people and are at times hypocrytes. Yes, We has CHRISTIANS do need to do a better job of not coming off as hateful or judgemental. The thing to remember is if we (CHRISTIAN) say something that GOD (JESUS) said is wrong, than HE has judged it not us. Like one poster said, if We (CHRISTIANS) are wrong what happens to us when we die? (nothing), but what happens to non CHRISTIANS when they die is important. That is not to say become a CHRISTIAN just to avoid HELL though, but because HE (JESUS) died so WE CAN BE WITH HIM.
 
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Marietta_Volunteer said:
Why feel sorry for me? If I'm right then there is something to look forward to beyond death. If I'm wrong then I have the same end as you. However, along the way I hope that I have loved my neighbor as I would love myself, left a positive impact on others and raised my daughters with morals to do the same.

I urge you to evaluate your beliefs in the same manner.
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But isn't it possible to do this even with the absence of a belief in God? Knowing right from wrong isn't necessarily a Christian/secular thing. Like the quote from Meditations by Marcus Aurelius says "Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."

Why would I want to buy into a belief system where a "born-again" murderer or child rapist ends up in heaven simply because he asks for salvation from Jesus after being a piece of **** for most of his life as opposed to someone who spent their life trying to be a good person but simply never found cause to believe in something that there is no tangible evidence for. What kind of skewed form of "justice" is that?
 
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tayrorree said:
The reason it is scary is because evolution is a peered reviewed theory with thousands of supporting papers and studies. The overwhelming majority of actual scientists support evolution, and for you as a teacher to say that creation is an equal view is insane. As an individual you can believe what you want but when teaching the next generation you have to teach what is actually observable and not just what religious leaders have made up.
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I'm a professional. I've taught about evolution, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. I don't pick what I teach. The state of Tennessee does, and by their standards of evaluation, I am at the peak of my profession. Scary stuff, huh?
 
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#120
I'm a committed follower of Christ, but I think a Vol fan message board is not a real constructive venue for trying to win anyone over to my faith. This thread is doing nothing to advance anyone's cause. Just saying.
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fade route said:
I'm a committed follower of Christ, but I think a Vol fan message board is not a real constructive venue for trying to win anyone over to my faith. This thread is doing nothing to advance anyone's cause. Just saying.
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Of the MULTIPLE threads in the Pub/politics forum over the years that eventually devolve into this same debate, some have actually had some pretty good discussion from both sides. But I agree with you, I doubt anyone has ever changed their minds after reading what is posted in these types of threads.
 
#122
#122
a prayer is only as good as the man praying... BIBLE says the only prayer God hears of a sinner is the prayer of repentance. i joke on here and talk some but its clean. i love to read about my vols but love the Lord more. if they wanna pray they need to pray for salvation then God will hear what they have to say
 
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Marietta_Volunteer said:
Why feel sorry for me? If I'm right then there is something to look forward to beyond death. If I'm wrong then I have the same end as you. However, along the way I hope that I have loved my neighbor as I would love myself, left a positive impact on others and raised my daughters with morals to do the same.

I urge you to evaluate your beliefs in the same manner.
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I hear this type of response from Christians a lot. It almost comes across as you're belief in God is just to be on the safe side. Also you make it sound like only Christians can be good people and raise their children right.
 
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neyland05 said:
i know alot of good people that aint christians but just bein a good person dont get u to heaven and thats what is important
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So,,if I'm not a good person I still get to go? hell, yeah,,let's have some fun and repent later,,,or whatever it is all you "good christians" do.
 
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