Praying Before Game WILL NOT BE STOPPED AT UT (merged)

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KoachKletus said:
That's fine,,,ignore away if the truth hurts. How about this,,do you pray that American soldiers are killed? Apparently one of your own does - it's called the Westboro Baptist Church. Yes, religion is all so fine and innocent until you uncover the insidious motives behind all that they do. Just because some of us don't fall into the mindcrap, or mindtrap that religions worldwide - force upon the weak - put us on ignore. I guess I'll still be waiting for my virgin, my cow, my cloud,,whatever. But one thing is for certain, bugs.
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You would be hard pressed to find many Christians who actually claim that madhouse to one of faith.
 
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volnpowell said:
It is not to be on the "safe side", because then "you" did not mean it. It is because "you" (non muslim) realize the need for ALLAH and want HIM to guide your life and BE WITH HIM AND VIRGINS. Also there are a lot of good people and even MUSLIMS have a hard time with children, that is why we need ALLAH.
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FYP. Goes both way,,,,,,,,,,,,,,brother.
 
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KoachKletus said:
That's fine,,,ignore away if the truth hurts. How about this,,do you pray that American soldiers are killed? Apparently one of your own does - it's called the Westboro Baptist Church. Yes, religion is all so fine and innocent until you uncover the insidious motives behind all that they do. Just because some of us don't fall into the mindcrap, or mindtrap that religions worldwide - force upon the weak - put us on ignore. I guess I'll still be waiting for my virgin, my cow, my cloud,,whatever. But one thing is for certain, bugs.
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"Force upon the weak". We are all weak, that is the point. We need HIM. We all at times think we can handle what ever comes our way ourselves, but we can not. Just remember we as CHRISTIANS our having this discussion because we care. It would be a lot easier to say "well I am going to HEAVEN I don't care if they do"
 
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I really don't understand this. Saying a prayer can be to God, Buddha, the Islam god or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. There's no one religion that owns the rights to the word "prayer". If you're atheist, or don't believe in religion...great. It's not affecting you, so why are you getting so butthurt about it? We're not forcing you to pray or believe in a God, so stop trying to force your belief of non-belief down our throats!
 
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If a Muslim was praying - nothing would be said at all.

----> anyone who believes this is delusional...someone leading a prayer with a few "praise be to allah"'s mixed in there and people would blow a gasket.

Crap like this is going to end, and I applaud the effort.

It's sort of sad that in 2012 there are over a hundred million americans that believe we got here based on the story of genesis and that the creator of the universe put himself inside the uterus of a jewish virgin and went on a lifetime suicide martyrdom because he couldn't think of a better way to deal with the theft of an apple committed at the behest of a talking snake.
 
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DynamiteMcGhee said:
You would be hard pressed to find many Christians who actually claim that madhouse to one of faith.
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I understand that DM,,,just using those fruitnuts as an example. I personally don't have a problem with prayer in public places, it makes no difference to me. I really wish the anti-prayer nut jobs would go their own way. This is the south,,the bible belt,,they are not going to change anybodies mind. Somethings are just better left alone. But it is fun to chit chat with a few of the die hard thumpers,,,they'll be up all night praying for my lost ass. :hi:
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I don't know, maybe for the same reason he's letting murderers, rapists, etc. who ask Jesus for salvation in? Why do these type of people, who almost never find God until their awful life choices have left them in such a horrible place that God is the only place they have left to turn, deserve to get in ahead of someone who lived a good life but never found the evidence to believe in God?

If you truly believe what the Bible says, then don't you have to believe that if these people "repent" then they will spend eternity in heaven?
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Again, only God is going to know if the person is truly repentant. We all sin. Everyone knows that. Personally I think it's going to be better for the murderer, rapist, etc, who truly repents, than for the "good person" who believed in God but did nothing to prove it or didn't follow His Word. I'm not trying to play God, just giving my opinion.
 
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daj2576 said:
If you read the article, it says that the 6th federal circuit made a ruling in 1997 banning this sort of activity. The 6th circuit, sadly, is Tennessee's circuit, and that means that this ruling is controlling. Fighting this in court will be a waste of money, regardless of how wrong you think it is.

I don't mind observing a moment of silence, in lieu of someone else telling me how to pray. I know this will be an unpopular opinion, but consider it in reverse. What if a Muslim was praying to Allah on the field, I bet the Christians who feel this sort of thing is ridiculous would have a total different opinion then.

Again I say that I have no problem with the prayer in general, but every time I have been to a UT game I have wondered how long it would go on before it was legally challenged.

So many people pretend that they would turn their back on the University for changing a denominational prayer to a moment of silence (so you can pray in your own way), but I don't see anything wrong with it. They aren't removing God from anywhere, he answer's prayers, you don't have to have someone else pray for you to talk to him (unless you are Catholic, but these weren't Catholic priests praying at UT).

Just my two cents.
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The sad thing is that they would allow the Muslim to pray, but heaven forbid if it is a Christian who prays.
 
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PowerSweep said:
If a Muslim was praying - nothing would be said at all.

----> anyone who believes this is delusional...someone leading a prayer with a few "praise be to allah"'s mixed in there and people would blow a gasket.

Crap like this is going to end, and I applaud the effort.

It's sort of sad that in 2012 there are over a hundred million americans that believe we got here based on the story of genesis and that the creator of the universe put himself inside the uterus of a jewish virgin and went on a lifetime suicide martyrdom because he couldn't think of a better way to deal with the theft of an apple committed at the behest of a talking snake.
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Each denomination of Christianity is different. Typically, the protestant denomination is very liberal. We believe we may not be the only faith/religion out there. We believe the Bible is ultimately written by man, thus has its setbacks. We believe God and evolution goes hand in hand. We believe that you don't force religion down someone's throat either. If we stopped getting offended at every little thing that we personally don't agree/believe, imagine how much better this country could be.
 
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FriendlyGator said:
I really don't understand this. Saying a prayer can be to God, Buddha, the Islam god or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. There's no one religion that owns the rights to the word "prayer". If you're atheist, or don't believe in religion...great. It's not affecting you, so why are you getting so butthurt about it? We're not forcing you to pray or believe in a God, so stop trying to force your belief of non-belief down our throats!
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Religion and morality should be kept within the halls of a church, mosque, or temple. It is my humble opinion that those who pray or act overtly religious in public only do so to be noticed and that doesn't seem right to me either. That being said, I would be against any religious group doing this.
 
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volnpowell said:
"Force upon the weak". We are all weak, that is the point. We need HIM. We all at times think we can handle what ever comes our way ourselves, but we can not. Just remember we as CHRISTIANS our having this discussion because we care. It would be a lot easier to say "well I am going to HEAVEN I don't care if they do"
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Thought you was putting me on ignore? Did the weakness succumb you?
 
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There are some that might say that, in a public sporting venue, religious prayer to a specific god is like forcing religion down someone's throat.
 
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Burhead said:
Religion and morality should be kept within the halls of a church, mosque, or temple. It is my humble opinion that those who pray or act overtly religious in public only do so to be noticed and that doesn't seem right to me either. That being said, I would be against any religious group doing this.
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I agree.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Yeah cause this world is real great right now. Im saying religion is fine in private schools or being taught as a elective in public schools but it shouldn't be mandatory to be taught it in school since not everyone has the same beliefs. That's abusive.
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I think that is what he is saying, that the U.S is in decline.

Saying a prayer before class is teaching people? If you do not want to pray sit there. If you believe in another god say your prayer to him. I have no problem with other people saying their own prayer at the time I am praying to my god.

People are letting the few ruin what was great about the U.S. Not just religion.
 
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Fun fact: The University of Tennessee was originally founded as Blount College by the Presbyterian minister who founded New Providence Church in Maryville. The more you know...
 
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Burhead said:
Religion and morality should be kept within the halls of a church, mosque, or temple. It is my humble opinion that those who pray or act overtly religious in public only do so to be noticed and that doesn't seem right to me either. That being said, I would be against any religious group doing this.
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Certain denominations I can agree with, but not everyone who prays in public is noticed. I do it all the time. I just close my eyes and think to myself. Some people are able to cope, reason or function better with prayer.
 
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FriendlyGator said:
Each denomination of Christianity is different. Typically, the protestant denomination is very liberal. We believe we may not be the only faith/religion out there. We believe the Bible is ultimately written by man, thus has its setbacks. We believe God and evolution goes hand in hand. We believe that you don't force religion down someone's throat either. If we stopped getting offended at every little thing that we personally don't agree/believe, imagine how much better this country could be.
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Spot on gator man. Religion - any denomination should be about tolerance and forgiveness. Fairness and loving. I can do the same as an atheist. But can some "religious" people do the same? As an atheist, I forgive them for believing in what they do,,,but can they forgive me for not believing in what they believe in? The answer is NO simply because some book, written by hundreds, perhaps thousands, translated umpteen times tells them that I should believe. Just for believings sake. The next true evolution of man will come when ALL religion is removed from this earth.
 
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KOACHKLETUS,Since my post was the last of the page, I did not know if you saw I did not say I was putting you on ignore?That was someone else.
 
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KoachKletus said:
Spot on gator man. Religion - any denomination should be about tolerance and forgiveness. Fairness and loving. I can do the same as an atheist. But can some "religious" people do the same? As an atheist, I forgive them for believing in what they do,,,but can they forgive me for not believing in what they believe in? The answer is NO simply because some book, written by hundreds, perhaps thousands, translated umpteen times tells them that I should believe. Just for believings sake. The next true evolution of man will come when ALL religion is removed from this earth.
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I agree to an extent. I do not fault a religious person for believing but I don't like it when they try and force their morality on the people or try and legislate said morality. That said, political religion has been the cause of some of the worst acts of cruelty this world have seen.
 
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FriendlyGator said:
Each denomination of Christianity is different. Typically, the protestant denomination is very liberal. We believe we may not be the only faith/religion out there. We believe the Bible is ultimately written by man, thus has its setbacks. We believe God and evolution goes hand in hand. We believe that you don't force religion down someone's throat either. If we stopped getting offended at every little thing that we personally don't agree/believe, imagine how much better this country could be.
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Protestantism is not a denomination, and the views you express, that the bible is not literal and that god and evolution go hand in hand, are very much minority views within different denominations of protestantism. They would be extremely small minority within the southern baptist convention, a significant minority within say the episcopalian group. But make no mistake those views you claim are not mainstream.

When 43% of americans believe something that it takes profound ignorance to believe, namely that a magic god created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years, it is organized religion that is to blame.

Seemingly harmless things like a pregame prayer play a huge role in promoting the belief in religion as a social norm.
 
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volinreallife said:
I think that is what he is saying, that the U.S is in decline.

I think that is just BS.

Saying a prayer before class is teaching people?

Yes and absolutely. It is teaching kids that if you want to fit in, and all kids want to fit in, then you better be like us and pray.

If you do not want to pray sit there. If you believe in another god say your prayer to him. I have no problem with other people saying their own prayer at the time I am praying to my god.

Why not just pray to your god is silence and in private and let others do the same? Why do feel the need to have a public spectacle? Could it be because you want the attention? Could it be that you want to evangelize?




People are letting the few ruin what was great about the U.S. Not just religion.
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How exactly is the US being ruined?
 
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