Praying Before Game WILL NOT BE STOPPED AT UT (merged)

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volnpowell said:
KOACHKLETUS,Since my post was the last of the page, I did not know if you saw I did not say I was putting you on ignore?That was someone else.
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No problem volnpowell. And for the record - I have no problem with prayer in Neyland. When in Rome,,,,you know how it goes. Neyland stadium has a strong tradition. Same goes for Tennessee as being part of the bible belt, a strong tradition. Just because some out of state interest thinks that public prayer before a game is "conflicting" with "their special interest" - I think they need to prove how it damages them before any prayer is removed. I apologize to any that I may have offended, but coming from an atheist - prayer should remain in Neyland - in schools - or anywhere that people wish to pray - as long as it is kept civil.
 
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From what I read at WBIR, UT-Chattanooga all ready gave in... I'll continue to pray whether it's stopped or not.. next they'll want us to NOT put our hands over our heart when siniging the National Anthem...
 
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Saying a prayer before class is teaching people?

----> Of course it is...it is teaching people that this particular act is a good and proper one. Otherwise why would we be doing it? And since this is a religious act, it has no place in a public institution. You want to do it in a private institution of like minded individuals? Great...have at it.
 
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KoachKletus said:
Spot on gator man. Religion - any denomination should be about tolerance and forgiveness. Fairness and loving. I can do the same as an atheist. But can some "religious" people do the same? As an atheist, I forgive them for believing in what they do,,,but can they forgive me for not believing in what they believe in? The answer is NO simply because some book, written by hundreds, perhaps thousands, translated umpteen times tells them that I should believe. Just for believings sake. The next true evolution of man will come when ALL religion is removed from this earth.
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You're falling into the same trap, though. I don't feel like I have to forgive you because you have done nothing wrong, unless you infringe on any of my rights (including religion). No, you don't have to believe for beliefs sake, but atheists shouldn't punish Christians because we choose to believe (generally speaking, not calling you out, dude). To me, there's too much evidence out there that suggests that God exists, but that is one persons belief.
 
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KoachKletus said:
No problem volnpowell. And for the record - I have no problem with prayer in Neyland. When in Rome,,,,you know how it goes. Neyland stadium has a strong tradition. Same goes for Tennessee as being part of the bible belt, a strong tradition. Just because some out of state interest thinks that public prayer before a game is "conflicting" with "their special interest" - I think they need to prove how it damages them before any prayer is removed. I apologize to any that I may have offended, but coming from an atheist - prayer should remain in Neyland - in schools - or anywhere that people wish to pray - as long as it is kept civil.
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I think all state institutions should adopt a pure secular method of operation. I have a problem if a authority figure (A teacher for example) decides to lead a class in prayer.
 
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KoachKletus said:
No problem volnpowell. And for the record - I have no problem with prayer in Neyland. When in Rome,,,,you know how it goes. Neyland stadium has a strong tradition. Same goes for Tennessee as being part of the bible belt, a strong tradition. Just because some out of state interest thinks that public prayer before a game is "conflicting" with "their special interest" - I think they need to prove how it damages them before any prayer is removed. I apologize to any that I may have offended, but coming from an atheist - prayer should remain in Neyland - in schools - or anywhere that people wish to pray - as long as it is kept civil.
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Not an atheist but I admire your answer because as a Christian if prayer were not allowed then I would feel the same. No matter what each of us believes, we are all human and have choices. My choice does not make me better than anyone else and I try to respect people and their right to make their own individual choices.
 
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Burhead said:
I agree to an extent. I do not fault a religious person for believing but I don't like it when they try and force their morality on the people or try and legislate said morality. That said, political religion has been the cause of some of the worst acts of cruelty this world have seen.
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100% agree. Church and State should definitely be separated.
 
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PowerSweep said:
Protestantism is not a denomination, and the views you express, that the bible is not literal and that god and evolution go hand in hand, are very much minority views within different denominations of protestantism. They would be extremely small minority within the southern baptist convention, a significant minority within say the episcopalian group. But make no mistake those views you claim are not mainstream.

When 43% of americans believe something that it takes profound ignorance to believe, namely that a magic god created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years, it is organized religion that is to blame.

Seemingly harmless things like a pregame prayer play a huge role in promoting the belief in religion as a social norm.
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I agree with all of your statement except your last sentence. No matter what - if something is seemingly harmless - the ignorant will make it harmful. Hopefully, evolution will remove the ignorant.
 
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Noah got drunk and was angry with his grandson, who wasn't even there when he got drunk. Anyone know why? I don't know.
 
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PowerSweep said:
Protestantism is not a denomination, and the views you express, that the bible is not literal and that god and evolution go hand in hand, are very much minority views within different denominations of protestantism. They would be extremely small minority within the southern baptist convention, a significant minority within say the episcopalian group. But make no mistake those views you claim are not mainstream.

When 43% of americans believe something that it takes profound ignorance to believe, namely that a magic god created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years, it is organized religion that is to blame.

Seemingly harmless things like a pregame prayer play a huge role in promoting the belief in religion as a social norm.
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That's a very Catholic statement, but fortunately a false one.

List of Christian denominations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would definitely argue that this viewpoint is not a minority in the Episcopal church, that it is very common. That is why many famous scientists and free thinkers are Episcopal/Anglican now and throughout history. But let's not let facts get in our way :)

I agree to a point about organized religion as corruption has been prominent throughout history, but there also has been much good to come of it.

Allowing prayer at a football game promotes religion just as much as offering french fries at a football game promotes being vegetarian. No one is asking you to join in, or to buy the fries. No one is telling you to believe in one religion over another. Prayer is about finding your inner peace, and having a conversation between you and you God or even yourself.
 
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KoachKletus said:
No problem volnpowell. And for the record - I have no problem with prayer in Neyland. When in Rome,,,,you know how it goes. Neyland stadium has a strong tradition. Same goes for Tennessee as being part of the bible belt, a strong tradition. Just because some out of state interest thinks that public prayer before a game is "conflicting" with "their special interest" - I think they need to prove how it damages them before any prayer is removed. I apologize to any that I may have offended, but coming from an atheist - prayer should remain in Neyland - in schools - or anywhere that people wish to pray - as long as it is kept civil.
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IMHO, you're not offending at all. I love conversations like this.
 
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Burhead said:
I think all state institutions should adopt a pure secular method of operation. I have a problem if a authority figure (A teacher for example) decides to lead a class in prayer.
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+1. A teacher has no right to lead a prayer, but s/he should be able to say it's ok to pray if you want.
 
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Godfatha said:
Why do atheists feel the need to be offended at prayer?
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They aren't...you would think in this day and age people would've figured out that prayer has no effect, but hey, if someone wants to close their eyes and think some thoughts they think a magic god is hearing, who cares? Pretty harmless to me.'

When you do it in a public setting at a public institution it is different.

It would be worth it to me though to see the hypocrisy if, in a 7 game home schedule we had a word from spaghetti monster fans, buddists, hindus, wiccans, muslims, etc just so we could then ask you and others like you the same question as your post.
 
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imavolsfan4ever said:
They can take the word of God out but they can't take God out..He is always with us..Another 20 yrs and this counrty will not be as we know it today, The white man is slowly becoming a minority
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Why would that matter? In a true Constitutional Republic everybody enjoys the same rights. It doesn't and shouldn't matter if you are in the majority or minority. Slaves finally won their freedom and women finally got their right to vote....all while the majority (white Christians) fought tooth and nail to prevent it.
 
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It all boils down to this: Do you believe that the universe has always existed (infinity past) or do you believe that there was a time when it came into existence?
Evidence suggests that the universe has a starting point...even by scientists. The big bang.
Some on here have stated that belief in creation is illogical in some way.
The philosophical argument then is: If it is created, then it must have a purpose.
It takes much more faith to believe the opposite. IMO
 
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KoachKletus said:
No problem volnpowell. And for the record - I have no problem with prayer in Neyland. When in Rome,,,,you know how it goes. Neyland stadium has a strong tradition. Same goes for Tennessee as being part of the bible belt, a strong tradition. Just because some out of state interest thinks that public prayer before a game is "conflicting" with "their special interest" - I think they need to prove how it damages them before any prayer is removed. I apologize to any that I may have offended, but coming from an atheist - prayer should remain in Neyland - in schools - or anywhere that people wish to pray - as long as it is kept civil.
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Thanks, and like I said I do care otherwise I would not waste my time. I will end with saying GOD loves you and that's why HE died. The great thing about this is it's FREE. All you have to do is ask HIM to lead you life and accept HIS death for your sins.:hi:
 
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PowerSweep said:
Saying a prayer before class is teaching people?

----> Of course it is...it is teaching people that this particular act is a good and proper one. Otherwise why would we be doing it? And since this is a religious act, it has no place in a public institution. You want to do it in a private institution of like minded individuals? Great...have at it.
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lol so we should stop teaching our kids to raise the toilet lid.
 
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