Praying Before Game WILL NOT BE STOPPED AT UT (merged)

I think all state institutions should adopt a pure secular method of operation. I have a problem if a authority figure (A teacher for example) decides to lead a class in prayer.

Agree and disagree. In the case mentioned, having a prayer before a public display, in my opinion is harmless. Pray to whom you believe in,,,don't pray,,or have a beer. It's a choice. Now where I agree with you is that a complete separation of church and state is absolutely needed in an educational setting. If my children (grandchildren) went to school and came home with some of that farfetched bull**** "creationism" I would immediately go to the school, slap somebody,,,and say, "This aint kentucky",,,,or something reasonable like that. :)
 
Yes, please do tell me what has happened to society over the last 70 years.

Lets start with 1942......GO!

I hope no one mentions gay marriage. Probably a different topic for a different day but there's no reason 2 people in love shouldn't get married. Hell... if we're allowed to make this mistake, anyone should! :birgits_giggle:
 
That's a very Catholic statement, but fortunately a false one.

List of Christian denominations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would definitely argue that this viewpoint is not a minority in the Episcopal church, that it is very common. That is why many famous scientists and free thinkers are Episcopal/Anglican now and throughout history. But let's not let facts get in our way :)

I agree to a point about organized religion as corruption has been prominent throughout history, but there also has been much good to come of it.

Allowing prayer at a football game promotes religion just as much as offering french fries at a football game promotes being vegetarian. No one is asking you to join in, or to buy the fries. No one is telling you to believe in one religion over another. Prayer is about finding your inner peace, and having a conversation between you and you God or even yourself.

Protestantism is one of the major groupings within Christianity. It has been defined as "any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth" and, more broadly, to mean Christianity outside "of a Catholic or Eastern church".[1]

From wikipedia I am seeing different polling but most say generally the same thing on belief in evolution:

Mainline Protestant--51%(this poll the highest I've seen)
Hist Black Protestant--38%
Evangelical Protestant--24%

And you mentioned scientists...this should be illuminating:

A 2009 poll by Pew Research Center found that "Nearly all scientists (97%) say humans and other living things have evolved over time – 87% say evolution is due to natural processes, such as natural selection. The dominant position among scientists – that living things have evolved due to natural processes – is shared by only about third (32%) of the public."[45]
 
:machgun:To make sense of prayer! We have seen our country slowly but surely fall apart since prayer was removed from school..... God built this country and is the sole reason this country was as great as it was>>>>>IF WE DONT HOLD GODS WORD TO THE CENTER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT WILL FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE!!! IT IS ON THE WAY NOW !!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!! WE NEED GOD MORE NOW THAN EVER..... GOD,GUNS,GUTS AND GLORY MADE AMERICA WE NEED ALL FOUR!!!!
 
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They aren't...you would think in this day and age people would've figured out that prayer has no effect, but hey, if someone wants to close their eyes and think some thoughts they think a magic god is hearing, who cares? Pretty harmless to me.'

This....I have asked Christians questions about prayer and why it doesn't always work. They always say that if what they are praying for happens then it's a miracle. If what they pray for doesn't happen then "it's God's will". So pretty much whatever God wants to happen is going to happen which would mean your prayers are pointless. That being said I have no problem with what anyone wants to believe. Just don't judge me because I don't think like you.
 
:machgun:To make sense of prayer! We have seen our country slowly but surely fall apart since prayer was removed from school..... God built this country and is the sole reason this country was as great as it was>>>>>IF WE DONT HOLD GODS WORD TO THE CENTER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT WILL FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE!!! IT IS ON THE WAY NOW !!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!! WE NEED GOD MORE NOW THAN EVER..... GOD,GUNS,GUTS AND GLORY MADE AMERICA WE NEED ALL FOUR!!!!


you live in Colorado? any chance you can remain there? lol
 
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:machgun:To make sense of prayer! We have seen our country slowly but surely fall apart since prayer was removed from school..... God built this country and is the sole reason this country was as great as it was>>>>>IF WE DONT HOLD GODS WORD TO THE CENTER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT WILL FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE!!! IT IS ON THE WAY NOW !!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!! WE NEED GOD MORE NOW THAN EVER..... GOD,GUNS,GUTS AND GLORY MADE AMERICA WE NEED ALL FOUR!!!!

God's name is on the Declaration of Independence? If God is all powerful why did he even feel the need to "create" America? If God is such a powerful being he is above playing politics in the mortal realm.
 
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:machgun:To make sense of prayer! We have seen our country slowly but surely fall apart since prayer was removed from school..... God built this country and is the sole reason this country was as great as it was>>>>>IF WE DONT HOLD GODS WORD TO THE CENTER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT WILL FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE!!! IT IS ON THE WAY NOW !!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!! WE NEED GOD MORE NOW THAN EVER..... GOD,GUNS,GUTS AND GLORY MADE AMERICA WE NEED ALL FOUR!!!!
This post really explains a lot.
 
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FDR signing Executive Order 9066 (Japanese American internment camps).

Definitely a bad idea and an embarrassment in our history. Have you visited the museum and reconstructed grounds at Manzanar, CA? Very interesting.
 
:machgun:To make sense of prayer! We have seen our country slowly but surely fall apart since prayer was removed from school..... God built this country and is the sole reason this country was as great as it was>>>>>IF WE DONT HOLD GODS WORD TO THE CENTER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT WILL FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE!!! IT IS ON THE WAY NOW !!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!! WE NEED GOD MORE NOW THAN EVER..... GOD,GUNS,GUTS AND GLORY MADE AMERICA WE NEED ALL FOUR!!!!

Praise Allah,,,I'll have another AK47,,that will make things right. Let's put more guns in the hands of the religious zealots,,,I'm all with you brother Amhir. We NEED MORE GUNS. HALLAH ALLAH,,,or some stupid crap like that. GOD AND GUNS = PEACE

the shining light of ignorance.
 
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:machgun:To make sense of prayer! We have seen our country slowly but surely fall apart since prayer was removed from school..... God built this country and is the sole reason this country was as great as it was>>>>>IF WE DONT HOLD GODS WORD TO THE CENTER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT WILL FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE!!! IT IS ON THE WAY NOW !!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!! WE NEED GOD MORE NOW THAN EVER..... GOD,GUNS,GUTS AND GLORY MADE AMERICA WE NEED ALL FOUR!!!!

We might even become (gasp)...SWEDEN!! Holy cow, what would we do? The low crime? The high standard of living? The lack of corruption in government?

I shudder at the thought....
 
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Definitely a bad idea and an embarrassment in our history. Have you visited the museum and reconstructed grounds at Manzanar, CA? Very interesting.

No I have not but I would love to. As a history nerd that would be pretty cool to visit, but it was really a dark point in our nation's past.
 
Protestantism is one of the major groupings within Christianity. It has been defined as "any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth" and, more broadly, to mean Christianity outside "of a Catholic or Eastern church".[1]

From wikipedia I am seeing different polling but most say generally the same thing on belief in evolution:

Mainline Protestant--51%(this poll the highest I've seen)
Hist Black Protestant--38%
Evangelical Protestant--24%

And you mentioned scientists...this should be illuminating:

A 2009 poll by Pew Research Center found that "Nearly all scientists (97%) say humans and other living things have evolved over time – 87% say evolution is due to natural processes, such as natural selection. The dominant position among scientists – that living things have evolved due to natural processes – is shared by only about third (32%) of the public."[45]

1) Hence why I said it was very Catholic of you to say. Yes, protestantism is a grouping, so my bad. Episcopals are more Anglican, which still technically is protestant but we are digressing from the main point.

A 2009 poll by Pew Research Center found that "Nearly all scientists (97%) say humans and other living things have evolved over time (Yes, I agree)

87% say evolution is due to natural processes, such as natural selection. (Yes, I agree too!)

I, and most of my Episcopalian comrades believe that God set everything in motion, and we cannot begin to understand/comprehend Him. That we put too much humanistic characteristics to describe Him, which completely takes away from his omnipotence. Not preaching, but merely establishing a reference point here.

Now we can agree that the Universe was started by the Big Bang, correct? What caused the Big Bang? That's a question I never hear asked. What's to say God didn't clap his hands in which a Big Bang occurred where space, time and everything we have come to know thus far was created? Because a 2,000 year old book says otherwise (again, written by man with no knowledge of science at that time).

Science and religion go hand in hand. If the extremist Christians want to say otherwise, well that's their own fault.

You're trying to argue religion vs. science to me when I am on the side of both. I believe your stance is that of an atheist, my apologies if I am incorrect. Let me ask this of you then, which I'm sure you can appreciate. Prove to me God does not exist.
 
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