Preseason top 25.

#101
#101
TrueOrange said:
he also says we're oregon's big test; that if they beat us they're pretty likely to go undefeated.....
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i'm well aware. the fact oregon hasn't beaten cal or usc at home since the clinton administration isn't relavant, but oregon tieing for second in the pac-10 in 08 is clear evidence they are ready to take over the pac-10.
 
#102
#102
BigOrangePassion1 said:
auburn and UCLA at their best werent as good as tennessee at their best.
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UCLA, maybe. I know the arguments you'll use, and in another life I might have agreed with you. However, to say that "at their best" is useless. Football is a game of probabilities with constant statistical updating. You might have an edge, or better players, but what happens if they play poorly or the coaches call a lousy game. Then at the end of the day, you never had an edge, it was never there.

I simply don't agree with Auburn. How does an inferior team rack up 450+ yards on you, in a loss.
 
#103
#103
droski said:
and you rate a team on how they play at their best? consistency isn't relavant? and whose to say that bama (as an example) didn't play like crap rather than tenn playing really well?
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I dont understand whats so hard about this. If we played our best football they werent capable of beating us. As inconsistent as we were they certainly werent anymore consistent. Im not even going to bother explaining UCLA.
 
#104
#104
volconomist said:
UCLA, maybe. I know the arguments you'll use, and in another life I might have agreed with you. However, to say that "at their best" is useless. Football is a game of probabilities with constant statistical updating. You might have an edge, or better players, but what happens if they play poorly or the coaches call a lousy game. Then at the end of the day, you never had an edge, it was never there.

I simply don't agree with Auburn. How does an inferior team rack up 450+ yards on you, in a loss.
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UCLA's recruiting has been pretty good. i'm not sure you could argue that tenn clearly had superior talent.
 
#105
#105
BearCat204 said:
:jpshakehead: So would I be correct in saying that you are convinced that football games are played on paper?
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Boom.

Thats the sound of logic.

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda. I guess we'll need to look at the tape, and work like heck to figure out we keep losing to inferior teams.
 
#106
#106
volconomist said:
UCLA, maybe. I know the arguments you'll use, and in another life I might have agreed with you. However, to say that "at their best" is useless. Football is a game of probabilities with constant statistical updating. You might have an edge, or better players, but what happens if they play poorly or the coaches call a lousy game. Then at the end of the day, you never had an edge, it was never there.

I simply don't agree with Auburn. How does an inferior team rack up 450+ yards on you, in a loss.
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Because your football coach cant consistently get your team ready to play.
 
#112
#112
salutethehill said:
I'm surprised at the lack of faith in VA Tech. They'll be a force this year, maybe even play for the NC.
On paper, SC could win the East. Based on history and gut, they'll hover around .500.
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I think they will be pretty good this year, but not quite that good.
 
#114
#114
volconomist said:
UCLA, maybe. I know the arguments you'll use, and in another life I might have agreed with you. However, to say that "at their best" is useless. Football is a game of probabilities with constant statistical updating. You might have an edge, or better players, but what happens if they play poorly or the coaches call a lousy game. Then at the end of the day, you never had an edge, it was never there.

I simply don't agree with Auburn. How does an inferior team rack up 450+ yards on you, in a loss.
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UCLA only if we get to use end-of-season Crompton and healthy receivers against their game 1 team.
 
#118
#118
droski said:
UCLA's recruiting has been pretty good. i'm not sure you could argue that tenn clearly had superior talent.
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I don't think you can. I'm not sure you can say it about SC, either, and I know you can't say it about Georgia.
 
#121
#121
BearCat204 said:
Using your logic, bama should have beat us by 40 and florida should have run up the score.
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you clearly don't understand. that was tenn at their best. clearly tenn should have been competing for a national championship last year.

cotton said:
I don't think you can. I'm not sure you can say it about SC, either, and I know you can't say it about Georgia.
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south carolina always seems to be top heavy and a few always seem to not qualify. i'd be willing to bet if you look at their average star rating for their entire roster that a lot of teams (cal [since our buddy thinks cal sucks], ucla, tenn) would be a lot higher.
 
#122
#122
BigOrangePassion1 said:
Ok the better team wins every game right? so why then does team a beat team b team b beats team c and team c beats team a. Obviously the better team does not win every game.
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Show me why you think UT was a better team than Auburn or UCLA last year.............
 
#123
#123
Talent is not the point. Georgia can be more talented all day. But the fact remains that they could not play defense last yr. We on the other hand played at an elite level at one multiple times on both sides of the ball. Georgia never played defense at an elite level and played it terribly half the time
 
#124
#124
BigOrangePassion1 said:
Ok the better team wins every game right? so why then does team a beat team b team b beats team c and team c beats team a. Obviously the better team does not win every game.
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You don't get it do you? This is why your top 25 is being critiqued, and your getting all sore about it.

Football is not about spurious correlations, and supposed talent. Its about the 60 minutes of football you play with your opponent. Probabilities prior to the game only serve as fodder for so called soothsayers, such as yourself. Being better on paper doesn't matter at all, once the clock starts.
 
#125
#125
BigOrangePassion1 said:
Georgia can be more talented all day. But the fact remains that they could not play defense last yr.
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if they are more talented shouldn't they be better "at their best." this is what we are talking about right? or are you implying that tenn played great D at times becuase of their coaching?
 
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