President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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NashVol11 said:
It's not really a "buyout" because you keep working, and get paid until September because you keep working, which makes it pretty dumb for most to accept this
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You are posting something that is not true

“Answering the most common question about the Deferred Resignation office,” DOGE posted to the social platform X. “Can take the vacation you always wanted, or just watch movies and chill, while receiving your full government pay and benefits.”
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Please don't post untrue things
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
😂 yea ok. We got us an outlaw over here folks.
Too proper to just provide and Id when required. Bet 💯 he/she does for a beer, at the bank, to renew licenses…but draws the line at a police request.
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You are correct. Those are voluntary interactions and I would choose to show id. Unless I'm being legally detained or arrested I have no duty to show id.

Did you know I could also refuse to allow them to search my car, house, etc? 😯

Just because you willingly give up your rights doesn't mean others have to as well
 
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utvolpj said:
You are correct. Those are voluntary interactions and I would choose to show id. Unless I'm being legally detained or arrested I have no duty to show id.

Did you know I could also refuse to allow them to search my car, house, etc? 😯
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Not if they have a warrant. See how that works?
It’s fine with me if someone who is legally detained per your premise, and refuses to show proper authorization to be in the country, that (they) the detainers, continue to detain you. All you have to do is show proper authorization and go on with life. It’s really easy.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yeah I don't get this maga energy of prioritizing deportation over constitution. It's more of the really bad logic "if you didn't do anything wrong then there's nothing to fear"
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Who is actually arguing that? The point they are making is if the wrong person gets scooped up, it’s then a matter of showing your a citizen.

It doesn’t mean that should be standard protocol. But it could and probably will happen.

Is your standard there is no margin for error in these ICE ops?
 
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volfanhill said:
My guess is they realized it was half-assed thought through and when people started calling Congresspersons in a panic over what it meant, the administration realized that President Chaos can't keep just doing crap because some numnuts says "Hey, what about this?"
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fyp

And furthermore, when he is eventually pressed about this, he or his spokesperson will deny that Trump knew about it at the time.
 
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LouderVol said:
because that isn't how America works.

they need probable cause to ask that.

you cool with the cops pulling you over just to check your ID?
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so in your fantasy land ICE is going around just pulling over people they suspect of being an illegal and criminal? 😂😂
If a mistake happens and it has to me, I just show my ID as requested and go on about my day. Where’s the problem?
 
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utvolpj said:
You are correct. Those are voluntary interactions and I would choose to show id. Unless I'm being legally detained or arrested I have no duty to show id.

Did you know I could also refuse to allow them to search my car, house, etc? 😯

Just because you willingly give up your rights doesn't mean others have to as well
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Yea castle doctrine I totally support.
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
Not if they have a warrant. See how that works?
It’s fine with me if someone who is legally detained per your premise, and refuses to show proper authorization to be in the country, that (they) the detainers, continue to detain you. All you have to do is show proper authorization and go on with life. It’s really easy.
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Yes I'm pretty sure I've already addressed warrants, probable cause, etc. Forcing me to prove I'm a citizen without any of those is a clear violation of civil rights

How could you legally detain a citizen when there is no probable cause? I can't be detained for telling a cop to pound sand when asked for my id unless there's cause. How do you not understand those basic rights?
 
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DC_Vol said:
Who is actually arguing that? The point they are making is if the wrong person gets scooped up, it’s then a matter of showing your a citizen.

It doesn’t mean that should be standard protocol. But it could and probably will happen.

Is your standard there is no margin for error in these ICE ops?
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I don't have an issue deporting known criminals that can be identified. I just believe there are going to be many overzealous quota seekers who will have no issue violating the rights of a few to serve what they believe to be the bigger threat. I disagree with that and believe the bigger threat is the violation of our civil rights as citizens. That's where the conflict arises and e should err on the side of protecting our rights above all else
 
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utvolpj said:
Yes I'm pretty sure I've already addressed warrants, probable cause, etc. Forcing me to prove I'm a citizen without any of those is a clear violation of civil rights

How could you legally detain a citizen when there is no probable cause? I can't be detained for telling a cop to pound sand when asked for my id unless there's cause. How do you not understand those basic rights?
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I do understand. I’m 💯 on personal
Freedoms allowed to legal residents. Therefore, if requested or have the option of being detained, I will simply show my authorization to legally afford those rights. It’s not hard to not be detained.
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
I do understand. I’m 💯 on personal
Freedoms allowed to legal residents. Therefore, if requested or have the option of being detained, I will simply show my authorization to legally afford those rights. It’s not hard to not be detained.
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You have not dem9nstrated any real understanding of what is being discussed. We have the freedom to not identify if there is no cause. You choose to give up that right which is fine. Just don't expect everyone to give in so easily or be in favor of law enforcement taking advantage of citizens in order to meet a quota
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
so in your fantasy land ICE is going around just pulling over people they suspect of being an illegal and criminal? 😂😂
If a mistake happens and it has to me, I just show my ID as requested and go on about my day. Where’s the problem?
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I wasn't the one creating the scenario, I was just responding to others.

depending on the ID it doesn't prove citizenship. driver's licenses just prove residency. hopefully you carry your SSN card or passport. maybe birth certificate works, but not if you nuke birthright citizenship. there are probably some other, non common, forms of ID that prove citizenship, but I can't think of many.
 
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utvolpj said:
You have not dem9nstrated any real understanding of what is being discussed. We have the freedom to not identify if there is no cause. You choose to give up that right which is fine. Just don't expect everyone to give in so easily or be in favor of law enforcement taking advantage of citizens in order to meet a quota
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I understand perfectly. You, I, or any other has the right to not identify. Total right of choice. Understood and agree. Please tell and show us any examples of people who are being detained that simply complied and provided appropriate documentation? During a declared national border emergency. You show your ID constantly and without hesitation for basic luxuries…not even rights…but draw the line here. Ok 😂
 
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