President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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utvolpj said:
My day's not complete on VN until I'm called a leftie. Bonus when I can get a conservative to admit they're more in favor of govt controls free markets
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Congratulations on completing your day early today. I know liberals hate actual work. You didn't get me to admit anything regarding free markets. Eliminate illegal immigration, and watch how fast corporations force politicians to change the laws. I love how liberals are now trying to say that illegal immigration is free market.
 
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AM64 said:
So who used to pick strawberries, and where have all the cotton picking chicken pluckers gone? Maybe waiting tables and waiting for .gov to pay off student loans because their talents were too rich to waste in the fields? We used immigrant labor to pluck strawberries and other farm goods for decades, so what are all the illegals doing now? Perhaps since they are illegal they are adding to consumption but can't enroll as farm labor because they are here illegally? And where does corporate farming vs the old fashioned family farm factor into all this - too much inflated overhead in the office and too little in the fields despite all the automation? Maybe we're chasing our tails doing stuff like growing corn to dilute our gasoline and stealing resources that should be growing food?
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You can't complain about price increases yet in the same breath advocate for small, family farms. If you want to go after the labor force providing a service don't be surprised if they scatter and don't do the work. In turn things become more expensive.
 
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Vol423 said:
Except that you didn't. Eliminate illegal immigration, and watch how fast large corporations force politicians to change the laws. I love how liberals are now trying to saying that illegal immigration is free market.
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So you're claiming increased govt controls over inputs are more free market?
 
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utvolpj said:
You can't complain about price increases yet in the same breath advocate for small, family farms. If you want to go after the labor force providing a service don't be surprised if they scatter and don't do the work. In turn things become more expensive.
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Some migrant farm workers will always be needed, and that's fine, but only in certain types of farming. More and more farming is becoming more automated. Let them come LEGALLY with a green card and work here temporarily. A large apple orchard with 10,000 trees to prune every winter isn't going to take care of itself. That's what migrant workers are for. We need some of them here, no doubt.

One of the biggest costs for farming is fertilizer. It is insane how much fertilizer is used by a large farm, and it is also insane to think about how much higher the cost of fertilizer is now. The big hit the energy sector has taken with this administration will affect our grocery prices not only because it is more costly to fuel equipment and haul crops, but it is also more costly to fertilize the fields. It's a triple whammy.
 
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headhunter15 said:
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No we don't. We don't deserve such poor dumb-ass leadership we get from Biden/Harris. We need a better & stronger leadership person that knows what the hell they're doing each day other than what is sitting at his desk picking his nose & mumbling some incoherent word salad everyday. Biden sucks & everyone knows it.
 
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Vol423 said:
There's nothing free about a labor market with minimum wages (that keep getting increased by your leftist buddies).
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I agree. Drop it completely and allow all to compete in the labor market

Do you really feel that calling me a leftist really bolsters your argument? Kinda makes it look weaker
 
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utvolpj said:
Great policies? They were trash and the numbers say the same. You guys prove that Trump is a marketing genius. He didn't even have to deliver for you to back him completely. He's the ultimate rug pull
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I disagree. Your vitriol blinds you to what works. Butt I guess we should keep doing the same old thing. Surely we will get a different result someday.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I disagree. Your vitriol blinds you to what works. Butt I guess we should keep doing the same old thing. Surely we will get a different result someday.
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you can disagree based on feelings but the numbers don't.

I'm completely in favor of not electing morons and feel it might just give us a different result. You should stop supporting them too and help us obtain that different result
 
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utvolpj said:
I agree. Drop it completely and allow all to compete in the labor market

Do you really feel that calling me a leftist really bolsters your argument? Kinda makes it look weaker
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You are advocating for a non-existent border and illegal immigration. That means you are a leftist whether I label you as such or not. Since I believe that you will agree with me that the minimum wage is never going to be eliminated, there is no further reason to discuss your proposal.

The hilarious part of all of this is that, as I've said previously, I'm 100% an advocate for major changes to our legal immigration system so that any potential labor shortages can be addressed. Nevertheless, you cling to the delusional notion that illegal immigration is beneficial to this country.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Some migrant farm workers will always be needed, and that's fine, but only in certain types of farming. More and more farming is becoming more automated. Let them come LEGALLY with a green card and work here temporarily. A large apple orchard with 10,000 trees to prune every winter isn't going to take care of itself. That's what migrant workers are for. We need some of them here, no doubt.

One of the biggest costs for farming is fertilizer. It is insane how much fertilizer is used by a large farm, and it is also insane to think about how much higher the cost of fertilizer is now. The big hit the energy sector has taken with this administration will affect our grocery prices not only because it is more costly to fuel equipment and haul crops, but it is also more costly to fertilize the fields. It's a triple whammy.
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Companies like Monsanto swing a lot of weight - too much corporate concentration and too little real competition.
 
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utvolpj said:
Why? Are you ok with paying an inflated price just because of labor?
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Government is setting the floor, and that's a problem. If industry isn't willing to pay more than a certain amount for a job, then government shouldn't be making the job worth more. Government didn't equally apply antitrust regulation to labor to prevent inflationary wage increases either, and government sure didn't limit involvement of other unions like teamsters from supporting the UAW and others. We didn't have to price ourselves out of the world labor market, but congress derived too much wealth and power from the people who made that happen.
 
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What these people want is limited government and limited taxes. We all agree to that. At some point you are going to have to work within a system. It can't be anarchy. I want American Identity.
 
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