Pro-Obama thread..list his good ideas, strategies, attributes, etc.

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emainvol said:
Fine, then why are we still there and spending money when we don't have the oil, and the economy isn't so great.
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I thought you were a long-term thinker :)

Above all else, the war was about ME stability. Why was that important? The global economy. The strategy may not have been the best choice but it is an appropriate government action to use the military based on your argument of the government's role in the economy.
 
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volinbham said:
I thought you were a long-term thinker :)

Above all else, the war was about ME stability. Why was that important? The global economy. The strategy may not have been the best choice but it is an appropriate government action to use the military based on your argument of the government's role in the economy.
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Ahh, but I am a long-term thinker. Perhaps if it had been planned more thoroughly (and we hadn't been misled as to the real reason for the war) the economy wouldn't be where it is.

We certainly haven't done much to help ME stability.
 
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This has to get sidetracked doesn't it? Obama supporters cannot truly justify his energy strategy can they?
 
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I'll be honest, I have no idea why we went to Iraq.

It would suit me just fine for a pencil neck politician tell me we went to Iraq for Oil and nothing else.

Then you ask yourself...... where is the oil at......

I don't buy the ME crap.........

Bush had the opportunity of a presidential life time and he decided to go to Iraq.... I mean really....
 
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allvol123 said:
This has to get sidetracked doesn't it? Obama supporters cannot truly justify his energy strategy can they?
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Didn't TennNC address this in a post about 5 or 6 pages back and you ignored it? A significant number of people in this country value clean (relatively) oceans and coastlines with fish that are actually alive and have the proper number of eyes and fins. The perception is that opening up more area for offshore drilling would endanger these things. Perhaps the value of above stated resources is more important to some people than having cheap oil.

Besides, we don't need to worry about any of this because T. Boone is going to fix all our problems with wind and solar power in a few short years.
 
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Smokefatty said:
Didn't TennNC address this in a post about 5 or 6 pages back and you ignored it? A significant number of people in this country value clean (relatively) oceans and coastlines with fish that are actually alive and have the proper number of eyes and fins. The perception is that opening up more area for offshore drilling would endanger these things. Perhaps the value of above stated resources is more important to some people than having cheap oil.

Besides, we don't need to worry about any of this because T. Boone is going to fix all our problems with wind and solar power in a few short years.
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did somebody tie drilling to multi eyed fish and I missed it? If those perceptions, as you state, are driving our decision making while entirely unfounded, we need all new decision makers who would quell this sort of idiocy.
 
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Smokefatty said:
Didn't TennNC address this in a post about 5 or 6 pages back and you ignored it? A significant number of people in this country value clean (relatively) oceans and coastlines with fish that are actually alive and have the proper number of eyes and fins. The perception is that opening up more area for offshore drilling would endanger these things. Perhaps the value of above stated resources is more important to some people than having cheap oil.

Besides, we don't need to worry about any of this because T. Boone is going to fix all our problems with wind and solar power in a few short years.
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One, you make assumptions about what offshore or ANWR drilling will do. Second, if people truly value what you say they value over cheap oil then the market will work it out. People will choose another source over oil and thus oil companies will not choose to drill in these places. Third, why are you so against choice? Fourth, if T. Boone's plan is so great and surefire, why hasn't it already happened?

Still waiting....
 
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emainvol said:
Ahh, but I am a long-term thinker. Perhaps if it had been planned more thoroughly (and we hadn't been misled as to the real reason for the war) the economy wouldn't be where it is.

We certainly haven't done much to help ME stability.
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how's that work? Home loans would have somehow been curtailed?
 
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China and Cuba are drilling off shore as we speak, yet a lot of people still took vacations this summer. But yes, off shore drilling will kill everything and ruin tourism.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
did somebody tie drilling to multi eyed fish and I missed it? If those perceptions, as you state, are driving our decision making while entirely unfounded, we need all new decision makers who would quell this sort of idiocy.
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Multi-eyed fish was a joke (didn't think that would be scrutinized).

Unfounded? Are you saying that offshore drilling has no ill effects on the ocean and surrounding environment?
 
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emainvol said:
No, but home loans weren't the only thing that went wrong, unless I missed something.
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I'd say they are the VAST majority of the current issues, aside from the artificial inflation being caused by oil pricing (which Iraq has minimal impact upon)
 
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Smokefatty said:
Multi-eyed fish was a joke (didn't think that would be scrutinized).

Unfounded? Are you saying that offshore drilling has no ill effects on the ocean and surrounding environment?
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I'm saying that it has no impact the way we have been forced to do it.
 
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Our enemies and others must love this. Do you really think India, China, Russia, etc. are going to limit their access to resources? Obama's energy ideas are assinine!
 
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It would be one thing if other countries weren't less than 200 miles from our shore drilling. That's what gets me. We can't do it because of the enviromentalist lobby yet so every other country can.
 
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allvol123 said:
One, you make assumptions about what offshore or ANWR drilling will do. Second, if people truly value what you say they value over cheap oil then the market will work it out. People will choose another source over oil and thus oil companies will not choose to drill in these places. Third, why are you so against choice? Fourth, if T. Boone's plan is so great and surefire, why hasn't it already happened?

Still waiting....
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One, you're making the same assumptions about what drilling won't do.

Your second point would be true if there were another viable resource. Since there isn't, people will continue to look for the cheapest resource until it is too late.

Third, I'm not at all against choice. Just because you have a number of options does not make them all the right thing to do. The oil companies that will benefit from opening new offshore drilling sites will make their decision based only upon $ and I don't happen to think that is always the best policy.

Fourth, I have learned that my attempts at internet humor fail miserably. I actually think T. Boone is just out to make a buck. I was making fun of his energy "plan".
 
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