Pro-Obama thread..list his good ideas, strategies, attributes, etc.

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emainvol said:
I hope those are hybrid Humvees or else you will henceforth be known as Carbon Sasquatch
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If I told this group what kind of car I drive, they'd enjoy the predictability too much. So, let's just keep it at Humvee for now.
 
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allvol123 said:
So why are you not for an "all of the above" energy strategy. Why does it have to be so restricted, is that really a solid plan?
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I didn't say anything about the plan, I just think he is right. As for the energy strategy, as long as people don't fall in love with some short term plan I am fine with it. The problem is, they will. If gas dropped back to 2 dollars this year, you would immediately see people rush back out to buy more SUVs, drive more, or whatever. Why? Because people are stupid.
 
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allvol123 said:
:good!:
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swirly rainbow.

with a gun to shoot fake blood at anyone wearing fur.

and a bullhorn to yell "corporate whore" at anyone walking into a McDonald's.

and a license plate that reads, "KILLDAGOP"

but you're getting close.
 
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emainvol said:
I didn't say anything about the plan, I just think he is right. As for the energy strategy, as long as people don't fall in love with some short term plan I am find with it. The problem is, they will. If gas dropped back to 2 dollars this year, you would immediately see people rush back out to buy more SUVs, drive more, or whatever. Why? Because people are stupid.
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Saying you think he is right is saying everything about what you think about the plan. Why is allowing access to our natural resources a short term plan and/or what is wrong with falling in love with that plan? If it did fall to $2, what is wrong with people wanting SUVs, driving more, etc.? Why are people stupid for just wanting access to what we have and letting the market work from there?
 
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MG1968 said:
allvol,

I bet TennNC appreciates you opening the door into what has become an obvious post-padding thread.

as far as Obama being a Constitutional scholar goes...if that's the case, where does he find the "right to choose"?

Do you really think every right is expressly spelled out in the Constitution? I can't imagine how long the document would have to be if that were the case. If Obama were to answer that question, I'm sure he'd tell you that it stems from the right to privacy under the 14th amendment just as the Supreme Court ruled.

If he's a Constitutional scholar, why would he continue to appoint judicial activists like Ruth Bader Ginsberg to the Supreme Court?

Did Obama say he would appoint judicial activists? I must have missed that.

If he's a Constitutional scholar, why does he support Gitmo detainees being awarded the privilege of habeus corpus? It's clearly not a right. Check out Article I Section 9:



clearly, the public safety requires that terrorists not be given habeas corpus.

It clearly is a right except in the circumstances stated in the Constitution: rebellion or invasion. I don't think those circumstances exist. The point of habeas corpus is to give those who feel they are wrongly detained a chance to be heard. Do you really believe everyone they detain is a terrorist? If so, I've got some weapons of mass destruction that I'll sell you. Give you a good deal, I promise.
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See above.
 
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allvol123 said:
Saying you think he is right is saying everything about what you think about the plan. Why is allowing access to our natural resources a short term plan and/or what is wrong with falling in love with that plan? If it did fall to $2, what is wrong with people wanting SUVs, driving more, etc.? Why are people stupid for just wanting access to what we have and letting the market work from there?
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Because in 5, 10, or 20 years we are back in the same place and people are bitching again.
 
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emainvol said:
I didn't say anything about the plan, I just think he is right. As for the energy strategy, as long as people don't fall in love with some short term plan I am find with it. The problem is, they will. If gas dropped back to 2 dollars this year, you would immediately see people rush back out to buy more SUVs, drive more, or whatever. Why? Because people are stupid.
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If all that happened wouldn't it just mean that our economy was back on track. As long as gas prices are up the economy will be down because the consumer will have to forgo the little extras and focus on needs. There is no way around it, we need to develop an alternative but not at the expense of the average American. We need the president to have a comprehensive energy plan that includes oil only to get us through until alternatives become economically viable and practical. "Clean" energy will do us no good if the country is belly up.
 
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My trust in the long-term decision making of the average American is obviously not on par with you guys.
 
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allvol123 said:
We are? Whether we are or not, I still see his plan(or lack of one), not being able to be defended by any of his supporters on here.
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I don't know why I have to. You didn't say defend, you said list. In all honesty, even if I was qualified to present information in defense it will all be speculation.
 
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emainvol said:
My trust in the long-term decision making of the average American is obviously not on par with you guys.
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I still do not get what you are saying? What does your trust in the average American have to do with his plan? You don't trust that the average American will choose the most affordable/productive method of transportation? I have a feeling they will, Obama and his like minded thinkers believe they will as well. That is why they prefer to push us in the direction they want to go.
 
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KB5252 said:
If all that happened wouldn't it just mean that our economy was back on track. As long as gas prices are up the economy will be down because the consumer will have to forgo the little extras and focus on needs. There is no way around it, we need to develop an alternative but not at the expense of the average American. We need the president to have a comprehensive energy plan that includes oil only to get us through until alternatives become economically viable and practical. "Clean" energy will do us no good if the country is belly up.
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I understand our economy will have its ups and downs but if our economy is back on track tomorrow, and then in worse shape in 10 years, what problems were really solved?

Another question, where is everyone that was telling me a few months ago that the economy was fine?
 
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emainvol said:
I don't know why I have to. You didn't say defend, you said list. In all honesty, even if I was qualified to present information in defense it will all be speculation.
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I am just asking for reasoning in backing up what people list as his good ideas. I think you are qualified to present reasoning, I am not looking for some expert in the energy industry here.
 
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allvol123 said:
I still do not get what you are saying? What does your trust in the average American have to do with his plan? You don't trust that the average American will choose the most affordable/productive method of transportation? I have a feeling they will, Obama and his like minded thinkers believe they will as well. That is why they prefer to push us in the direction they want to go.
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No, because they haven't been doing it for years.
 
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emainvol said:
I understand our economy will have its ups and downs but if our economy is back on track tomorrow, and then in worse shape in 10 years, what problems were really solved?

Another question, where is everyone that was telling me a few months ago that the economy was fine?
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Why would allowing access to resources put the economy in worse shape?
 
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allvol123 said:
I am just asking for reasoning in backing up what people list as his good ideas. I think you are qualified to present reasoning, I am not looking for some expert in the energy industry here.
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Well, there is my reasoning then. I think that someone needs to come in and kick the American public in the ass and say "You created this, this is where we are now. It is going to suck for a while, but we are going to get through it, and things will be better because of it"
 
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