"Protests"

#101
#101
#102
#102
orangepridenation said:
This country, and its citizens, are entirely too concerned with symbols. I have never understood it. I get wanting to stand at attention and pay your respects, but the absolute hatred and venom I see from flag worshippers is just insane to me.

I know many veterans and many active duty who I respect dearly, but their sacrifice does not supercede right and wrong. This country has a problem, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, with cops and dead minorities. It sucks, it's s***ty, it's not something most people want to stare at face on, but it's there. It's there and it has been for a long time.

I, for one, am glad that we have so many who are willing to speak out against it. If it actually brings attention to the issue and makes people think about it, then I hope every last damn player in the NFL takes a knee for the rest of the year.
Click to expand...

Can you explain why no one is protesting all of the minorities who are killed by other minorities? The numbers far, far outweigh the number of minorities who are killed by cops. Is that not a problem as well? It's there, and it has been for a long time.

I would think by now it would be clear that balloons, t-shirts, and flowers are not solving the problem.

No...you're right. Much safer to kneel in the safety and sanctuary of an NFL stadium rather than head down to the 'hood to confront the problem head-on. That could be dangerous. Let the cops handle it.

There's a reason why Jesse and Al only march in daylight, huh?

JMO.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#104
#104
GreyWolf1129 said:
Can you explain why no one is protesting all of the minorities who are killed by other minorities? The numbers far, far outweigh the number of minorities who are killed by cops. Is that not a problem as well? It's there, and it has been for a long time.

I would think by now it would be clear that balloons, t-shirts, and flowers are not solving the problem.

No...you're right. Much safer to kneel in the safety and sanctuary of an NFL stadium rather than head down to the 'hood to confront the problem head-on. That could be dangerous. Let the cops handle it.

There's a reason why Jesse and Al only march in daylight, huh?

JMO.
Click to expand...

Black on black crime is terrible and needs to be discussed and addressed.

However, that's not a free pass for police brutality and inequality in the criminal justice system. Sorry.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#105
#105
orangepridenation said:
Black on black crime is terrible and needs to be discussed and addressed.

However, that's not a free pass for police brutality and inequality in the criminal justice system. Sorry.
Click to expand...

I agree, and I'm an LEO. Particularly the inequality in the justice system, where you get the justice you can afford. So I'm with you there.

As for the police brutality, yes...it exists. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But there's a lot of claims of "police brutality"...Ferguson comes to mind...where both the evidence and the subsequent investigation established that no brutality, excessive force, or abuse of power occurred. Probably not much comfort to all those who were affected by the subsequent riots. But yes, it does exist, and I am of the opinion that it should be dealt with swiftly, and decisively.

But having seen firsthand...and we're talking "black on black" here, just to be clear...what goes on in the low-income areas; where people are afraid to sit outside or near a window for fear of a stray bullet ruining their day...I just wonder why those who claim to be standing tall, or kneeling, to show support for violence against minorities seem completely tone deaf to an issue that is killing the people they claim to support, by the truckload.

Kneeling for the National Anthem won't fix a damn thing. You want to do something? Get up off your knees; get up off your ass; get down in those neighborhoods; and give the good folks that are down their their lives back. That's a good start. Get to the kids before the drug dealers do. Take the Glock out of their hands, and replace it with a baseball, football, soccer ball, or basketball. Or a computer, musical instrument, or paintbrush. Give them a reason to live, instead of an excuse to kill.

In any event, it's a generational problem, and we've already lost at least two generations. It won't be easy, but it can be done. It's going to take time. But it can be done.

Sorry for the long-winded response. JMO, from one who has been there and seen it for what it is.

Go Vols.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#106
#106
volnpowell said:
Exactly. That's why it makes me so mad. Like you said, got a problem with president, handle it differently. Why do they and others not understand this?!
Click to expand...

Are you big mad or little mad? Of course they are going to defy the president when he called them SOBs. The flag code says nothing about kneeling being disrespectful. This is just something somebody made up that they FEEL is disrespectful. Everybody is entitled to their FEELINGS but kneeling during the anthem had nothing to do with the flag or veterans at all. Thats fake news as many of you like to say.
 
#107
#107
GreyWolf1129 said:
I agree, and I'm an LEO. Particularly the inequality in the justice system, where you get the justice you can afford. So I'm with you there.

As for the police brutality, yes...it exists. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But there's a lot of claims of "police brutality"...Ferguson comes to mind...where both the evidence and the subsequent investigation established that no brutality, excessive force, or abuse of power occurred. Probably not much comfort to all those who were affected by the subsequent riots. But yes, it does exist, and I am of the opinion that it should be dealt with swiftly, and decisively.

But having seen firsthand...and we're talking "black on black" here, just to be clear...what goes on in the low-income areas; where people are afraid to sit outside or near a window for fear of a stray bullet ruining their day...I just wonder why those who claim to be standing tall, or kneeling, to show support for violence against minorities seem completely tone deaf to an issue that is killing the people they claim to support, by the truckload.

Kneeling for the National Anthem won't fix a damn thing. You want to do something? Get up off your knees; get up off your ass; get down in those neighborhoods; and give the good folks that are down their their lives back. That's a good start. Get to the kids before the drug dealers do. Take the Glock out of their hands, and replace it with a baseball, football, soccer ball, or basketball. Or a computer, musical instrument, or paintbrush. Give them a reason to live, instead of an excuse to kill.

In any event, it's a generational problem, and we've already lost at least two generations. It won't be easy, but it can be done. It's going to take time. But it can be done.

Sorry for the long-winded response. JMO, from one who has been there and seen it for what it is.

Go Vols.
Click to expand...

Appreciate the response. It is taken well. However, a lot of these guys are very active in the communities of which you speak. Not only through very generous monetary donations, but through active intervention and mentoring efforts. This is, and always has been an issue with layers. Judging from your response, you clearly understand that, and so do these players.

All I ask is that you simply acknowledge the fact that these players do have a legitimate cause for which they stand (or sit), regardless of whether or not you agree with its effectiveness/outcome. That simple distinction, or the unwillingness of so many to even recognize, seems to be the center of the problem.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#108
#108
orangepridenation said:
All I ask is that you simply acknowledge the fact that these players do have a legitimate cause for which they stand (or sit), regardless of whether or not you agree with its effectiveness/outcome. That simple distinction, or the unwillingness of so many to even recognize, seems to be the center of the problem.
Click to expand...

No they don't. Please tell me what the "cause is," because I doubt you have any idea. :good!:
 
#111
#111
Funny how when Kap was kneeling, only a handful of people and players supported him and his reasons. Now the entire NFL and a big portion of the US are "united for the cause".

What cause? Seems to me it's more about being united against Trump than being united for anything.

Which is just ridiculous. What is the outcome of what the players are doing? What attention is being created? It's all attention for Trump. Not attention to the injustices in the US (or any other country). It's all about Trump.

If you are going to be united, at LEAST have something you are doing that is positive and makes a difference. This is all nonsense. As has been stated before, get up off your knee, off your behind, and go out into the community and do something positive. Do something that lasts. Kneeling is a weak gesture when strong action is needed. Kind of like when the hollywood A-list folks get on TV and talk on and on about different causes, and even donate $50k to the cause. Really? You made $10 mil for your last movie and you're gonna donate $50k? How about making a difference rather than trying to make yourself look better?

Like or hate Kap, dude gave $1 mil of his own money for a cause he felt needed it. Dude is doing things to better his world. Some don't like him or his methods, but at least he is actually doing something other than whine.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#112
#112
superdave1984 said:
funny how when kap was kneeling, only a handful of people and players supported him and his reasons. Now the entire nfl and a big portion of the us are "united for the cause".

what cause? Seems to me it's more about being united against trump than being united for anything.

which is just ridiculous. What is the outcome of what the players are doing? What attention is being created? It's all attention for trump. Not attention to the injustices in the us (or any other country). It's all about trump.

If you are going to be united, at least have something you are doing that is positive and makes a difference. This is all nonsense. As has been stated before, get up off your knee, off your behind, and go out into the community and do something positive. Do something that lasts. Kneeling is a weak gesture when strong action is needed. Kind of like when the hollywood a-list folks get on tv and talk on and on about different causes, and even donate $50k to the cause. Really? You made $10 mil for your last movie and you're gonna donate $50k? How about making a difference rather than trying to make yourself look better?

Like or hate kap, dude gave $1 mil of his own money for a cause he felt needed it. Dude is doing things to better his world. Some don't like him or his methods, but at least he is actually doing something other than whine.
Click to expand...

bingo!
 
#113
#113
volnpowell said:
Exactly. That's why it makes me so mad. Like you said, got a problem with president, handle it differently. Why do they and others not understand this?!
Click to expand...

"You can protest, just do it differently"

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Gx23vH0CE[/YOUTUBE]
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#114
#114
NashVol11 said:
"You can protest, just do it differently"

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Gx23vH0CE[/YOUTUBE]
Click to expand...

That’s pretty much my issue. There doesn’t seem to be any way to protest that won’t bother or annoy people. The fact is, when it comes to this topic, people just don’t want to listen, and if they do, the first thing that gets said is a diversion(why don’t they do this, or it’s so and so causing the problems).

One of the things that guys like dabo won’t quote from MLK is from his letter in a Birmingham jail:

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#115
#115
HoptownVol said:
No they don't. Please tell me what the "cause is," because I doubt you have any idea. :good!:
Click to expand...

Truly a fascinating perspective.
Don't you realize that it isn't your place to say whether someone else is offended by. Especially if you aren't in their same position. How many times have you stopped to truly consider, "I wonder what that's like to be on that side of things?"
You don't have to agree with someone's protest, but it's outrageous for you to speak to whether or not they have a cause. How does it affect you? Seriously? I am really asking. How does football players taking a knee affect your life?
If you have a real reason why it offends you, then fine. I am sorry to hear that you feel that way. I certainly won't argue that you don't have a cause or a right to feel that way.
Disagreeing with someone's perspective is more than okay, but arguing that there is no perspective other than your own is just idiotic.
I guess what I'm getting at here is...who flipping cares?! I literally couldn't care less about this. Not even if I tried.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 4 people
#116
#116
Black people have been treated unfairly in this country and should in all honesty point out mistreatment of the past and present. Protesting in a way that looks like it can be disrespecting the country makes the whole country look bad and turns me away from watching. It's sad that black people as a whole have to be in this struggle. Maybe one day things will brighten up for them. As a christian I pray each person who protests about this will read and study the bible and pray that Jesus will save us all. Time on earth is short and it better be spent wisely.
 
#117
#117
mtt2d said:
Black people have been treated unfairly in this country and should in all honesty point out mistreatment of the past and present. Protesting in a way that looks like it can be disrespecting the country makes the whole country look bad and turns me away from watching. It's sad that black people as a whole have to be in this struggle. Maybe one day things will brighten up for them. As a christian I pray each person who protests about this will read and study the bible and pray that Jesus will save us all. Time on earth is short and it better be spent wisely.
Click to expand...

What is this struggle blacks are in?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#121
#121
Nerd-Vol said:
I am becoming more and more convinced that there is a sizable portion of white folks out there who genuinely don’t care about what happens to black people.
Click to expand...

I am convinced that is irrelevant, even if it is true.

It is your life, quit whining about how someone else failed to hand you breaks.
 
#122
#122
allvol123 said:
I am convinced that is irrelevant, even if it is true.

It is your life, quit whining about how someone else failed to hand you breaks.
Click to expand...


That sounds like the height of privilege.


So essentially black folk’s problems are because they are lazy or have a propensity to commit crimes?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#125
#125
Panthro said:
Easy to say when you probably got a lot of breaks.
Click to expand...

Yes, growing up in a small rural town, raised by a single mom. Worked nights to put myself thru UT.

Classic example of the white privilege.

Go sing your nonsense to some hate group.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top